The new season starts tomorrow (Sept. 17).

MTV is hosting a Cheap Slots game for the show, where you predict what's going to happen next episode. I'm going to sign up. If so, let us know your name, so we can compete against each other. I'm veda815.

I'll be watching. No surprise there.

I will say that them living in the high-rollers' penthouse of a casino sounds cool.

Well they're certainly making this out to be the season of sex, eh?

Can you believe these guys? I don't know who to hate first. I'm curious about the pregnancy scare. Is that between two RWers or just between the guy (Steven) and some other non-RWer? Frank gives me a scary future-serial-rapist vibe. He acted like he had some claim on Trishelle just because he found her attractive and she flirted with him. I did enjoy the fact that she basically told him "look, we all just met. I'm free to kiss whomever I please." Steven seemed way too interested in everyone else's business. He's the mole.

You know it's funny, from the way the promo was set up I assumed it was Trishelle who thought she might be pregnant.

No, by the looks of the clip, it was a girl with shoulder-length straight black hair.

I finally caught this, and saw some good and bad things on the horizon. Alton and Irulan seem like they may actually be nice, enjoyable people to watch, and Arissa may be also. Steven disgusts me already... on top of his constant ridiculous juvenile patter designed to get "the ladies," and his loud drunkenness and wanton kissing behavior, he dances with his tongue stuck out, and that ain't right.

Trishelle and Brynn, not so fond of. I've heard that there's a threesome on the horizon. "Woo, we're having a menarge a twas, aren't we sophisty-cated!" I can't wait.

Frank seems like a nice enough guy, even if his Vanilla Ice 'do is alarming. For a minute in one of those confessionals, he reminded me of Bruce McCullough, but he's not as cute or funny, and he doesn't have a song about terriers.

*sigh* I don't know why I let these characters bug me but Trishelle's whining last night was grating on my nerves. First, she sleeps with the second roommate within the first week of the show. I'm not judging. Sleep with whomever you want. But she has next day regrets since she belatedly realizes that it will obviously be on the show and she remembers that her family will see it. So she wimps out and calls her sister so her sister can do her dirty work and inform her dad that his daughter slept with not one but two roommates in her first week and that one of those times she slept with the two roommates at the same time. I have to say that's a lot for any father to take in. So the father calls and, frankly, I thought he was pretty soft spoken. He reminded his daughter that her actions would cause problems for the rest of the family in that they would have to deal with the comments and judgments from the people they knew. He asked her not to do anything else that might "shame" herself or her family members. He does it in a pretty low key manner. So how does Trishelle process this information? Her father doesn't love her. He had the nerve not to give her 100% approval so now she hates him. She whines to the camera that she just wants her father to be proud of her "no matter what she does." WTF? So, she feels that regardless of her actions, her father should be proud of her? Uh, no. Respect has to be earned, sweetie.

Don't get me wrong. I think Trishelle should be allowed to sleep with whomever she wants, whenever she wants for as may times as she wants. But I also think it is extremely unrealistic to expect your father to give his stamp of approval on this behavior. Also, don't tell your family what your up to if you're worried about their reaction. Ugh. I really dislike this girl. I thought Brynna was going to fill the "most annoying" spot, especially when in the hot tub it was so obvious that Trishelle and Stephen were almost completely ignoring her and focusing on each other and she followed them into the bedroom. But at least Brynna's not walking around whining. Yes, whining trumps neediness in my fingernails on a chalkboard-o-meter.

My like of Alford and Arissa (I think) also dimmed. I didn't care for their attitude that Alford's ex-girlfriend shouldn't have bothered Alford with the news that she might be pregnant until she was sure she was pregnant. Perhaps, Alford, she was as scared as you were and there was no one else to tell and she was hoping for a little emotional support. Unfortunately, she called the wrong person, huh? Arissa was too busy fitting Alford for the new boyfriend suit she was sewing to even really care about the situation other than to bad mouth the ex whenever she got a chance.

I have to say, I'm not sure I'm going to make it through this season. Normally it takes a good four or five episodes for me to get this annoyed with a roommate. I may peak too early this season.

I understand that that's a shocking thing for a father to hear. New Age World aside, fathers really aren't supposed to hear that their kids are having threesomes... at least not until years later when everyone can look back on it from a distance. But of course she has to tell him right away here, because he'll see it on TV. It struck me that this setup really is the devil's bargain, worse than anything Elizabeth Hurley could concoct. You can sleep with as many beautiful people as you want to, in the hot tub and the glorious penthouse you're suddenly in, but the whole world will see it... maybe Brendan Fraser could give her some tips.

I didn't think it reflected too poorly on Alton to be upset that she didn't want to confirm her pregnancy. I understand her wanting to share the burden and feelings with him, but why in hell wasn't she running out to an all-night drugstore to get a pregnancy test? That makes me suspect that she wanted to have some sort of emotional hold over him. That cold, calm line, "A lot of lives are going to change," confirmed my suspicions.

It's Irulan who wants to (and it looks like, will) date Alton, not Arissa. That has got to be the most freaky Bunim Murray casting ever... I half expect them to reveal midseason that the two are sisters raised apart who don't know it.

The thing that bothers me most is that Trishelle's sister is named Buffy. As if the stupid Family Affair remake weren't already screwing up my careful system of email news alerts...

Actually, our six years with Miss Summers aside, it occurred to me that the top sign you're in deep shit is that your wise guide in life is named Buffy.

Wow, this episode made me doubt everything anyone's ever told me... because it hit home how blatantly people tend to distort things (only with most people you don't have the video record to show you what actually happened). It was kind of startling to see Arissa keep stating boldly, more confidently each time, that Frank told her, "You are the black bitch of the house." When in fact he was talking to a friend on the phone and said, "The bitchy black girl is mad at me and she's going to hit me. That's your role, you know?" To me, there's a world of difference in the transposition of adjective and noun.

Also, each one of those girls seems to have some sort of psychosexual problem.

I was also a little uncomfortable with Irulan (is that her name?) and her spinning of the night with her boss. Part of me was annoyed with her and her claim that she was uncomfortable with his passes and yet continued to sprawl all over him in the bar, then went up to his hotel room and THEN got in the bed with him. I thought it was a classic example of why sexual harrassment is such a murky issue. Judging by Irulan's behavior, she looked like she was perfectly happy to be engaging in a little sexual fun. But then her confessionals state that she didn't feel as comfortable telling her boss "no" because he was her boss. I also think the boss threatening Steven with docking pay right on the heels of a conversation about how the girls don't feel comfortable with the boss' passes indicates that the boss is a bit of a sleaze and probably not above using his position of authority. In the end, Irulan handled it fine, letting her boss know that she was uncomfortable with his passes and she would no longer put herself in a position where signals could get crossed. I wonder if that guy is going to suffer any repurcussions after this? How great would it be to be able to present this tape into evidence if you had a claim of sexual harrassment against the hotel? Especially if you were an employee of that night club?

Next week we get the fight between Brynn and Steven. Is there where we get Steven's lame "Brynn, I want you gone." statement? I tend to think Brynn stays simply because she's in the vacation footage they showed during the "This year on Real World." In a fight between Steven and Brynn, I gotta go with Brynn.

I agree with you, mj. Yes, the boss was sleazy and smarmy, but Irulan was clearly consenting and doing her 50 percent to instigate. It's disturbing, in light of how many accusations of "crying rape" there are, to watch a woman change her story like that, and to throw out infuriating passive statements like, "And then somehow we ended up in the bed." Gee, how did you end up in the bed?



She didn't tell her boss no because she was beer-goggling to beat the band.

I'm not sure if she later tried to disclaim any participation because she realized her boyfriend would see it on TV, or because in the light of sobriety she remembered that the boss was the gross pond scum on the surface of mankind.

What's interesting is that Alton seems to have an unfailing bullshit detector: he saw through both Irulan's and Arissa's distortions. I noticed that, upon hearing the "Frank said to me, 'You are the black bitch of the house'" comment, Alton was upset but the first thing he said was, "That doesn't sound like something Frank would say."

What a fuck Steven is. I only thought he was dumb. Let me get this straight: If a woman hits you, it's her fault and she should repeat that she's ruining her life. If you hit the woman back, it's also her fault and you have absolutely no control over or participation it. Cro-Magnon, sexist, repulsive... I'd have thrown a fork at the TV if I thought it would hit him.

I don't think it's the least bit amusing. That righteous anger, I'm-gonna-be-a-lawyer-someday-if-daddy-bribes-enough-people bubble he was traveling around in? "I made some amazing points"? His "liability" if he hit her? How about just not hitting her, genius?

I don't care for Brynn much, and obviously she was wrong and potentially ejectable. But his reaction to it was disgusting. He's a very poor excuse for a human being.

And watching her have to submit herself to his judgement and his "saving her and teaching her" was sickening. The fact that this episode ends with two women looking adoringly at him is sickening. Every time a woman sleeps with that thing, it's a loss for women everywhere.

I am so with you, there, eej. First of all, I couldn't stand the fact that there were actually two women who wanted to sleep with Steven. Brynn and her jealousy issues really bug me. But what also pisses me off about these type of fights are the provocation from the men (I felt this way with the Adam and Grace fight on Road Rules). They use all the hot button words. Steven was trying to pick a fight. Brynn had every right not to want to switch rooms. Why is it her responsibility to make it easier for those two to have sex? So Steven was pissed off at Brynn and pushed. He called her stupid, he called her a bitch, he called her a whore and a slut and a tramp. He was looking for a reaction. Unfortunately, Brynn played right into his hands. And can I just say upfront that there is a hell of a lot of difference between Brynn hitting Steven and Steven hitting Brynn. It's the difference between a 10-year old hitting me and a grown man hitting me. I'm not excusing Brynn. I do think women are way too willing to hit men in anger. It's just a line that should not be crossed by either party. I just think when you look at the height and weight disparity of the two participants, the damage that could be inflicted is not equal.

I do have to say that I appreciated the input of the four "non-participants" in this little drama. I liked how they stepped in and kept Steven from humiliating Brynn with his "I want to hear you say it" bullshit. I also liked how Arissa managed to talk Steven into at least sitting down with Brynn and trying to work it out.

But, of course, it finally comes down to it all being about Steven, doesn't it? He's not letting Brynn back in the house, he's letting "the old Steven" back. Ugh. It upsets me that this guy gets any action, let alone having two women fight over him because you know it's just feeding that over-bloated ego.

No kidding. That was ridiculous. I wanted to be there "voting" just so I could say something like, "Well if you don't think you can control your temper enough not to hit someone I don't feel safe living with you, and I want you to leave."

That's an excellent point. I wish you'd been there too.

Alton cracked me up last week. The scene of a 20-year-old man trying to rebuff the advances of a beautiful drunk woman who lands in his bed while he's half asleep should be shown to health ed classes. There in MTV-style technicolor, the power of sexual urges, the battle of mind against libido.

I like him even more after seeing him with his wonderful mother. In most situations, seeing a mother-son relationship that close would lead one to incest jokes, but those two are so good and pure that the idea has nothing to grasp onto. Here's this woman whose life has huge tragedy hanging over it, but instead of wearing a mantle of victimization (which she'd have the right to do), she's all about life and love. It spills out of her, and onto him.

I've met people like that a few times, and it always strikes me as an oddity, though a nice one. People who are largely untroubled by complicated anxieties or fear, golden boys who have been so kindly treated by life that they exude nothing but confidence and kindness and good nature. And so those things come back to them, creating the kind of endless cycle we'd all like to get stuck in. In Alton's case, the trigger was the intense love and affection of his mother.

I mean, my parents are great parents and I had a happy childhood. But this thing is a cut above.

Maybe it's something to do with those studies revealing that people have innate happiness levels. So that there are some who, no matter what bad things befall them, remain happy and view things in the most positive light.

Can Steven be any more full of himself? In the episode where they went on the retreat, "this stuff you're learning now - I've been doing it for years!" [sic] Ugh!

Oh, yeah. "I'm totally perfect now... isn't it convenient?" All I can say is that, if he's spent the last few years working on himself, he worked on all the wrong things.

I really think he is Satan. My sister saw him at an auditon for a TV pilot this week, and I don't know how she kept from kicking him. I would have.

Oh my! I can't see him as an actor.

I know. She was pretty outraged and started mumbling about "these Real World kids." Actually, some of them have enough charisma that I could see them making a go of it... but Steven? Personality? No. Wit? No. Amazing looks? No. Smart enough to memorize words? No.

Steven: "Alton has the biggest penis in the world!"

Hahaha.

The women on this show have taken leave of their senses. I have no idea what's wrong with them. Having the same anatomy as someone is not a reason to side with her.

I get that Trishelle is really dumb and is confusing her relationship with Steven (an asshole and user through and through) with Irulan's relationship with Alton. But what's that other girl's excuse, other than that she's nosy and a shit-stirrer?

Irulan is simultaneously dating someone else, flaunting it in Alton's face, accepting his affections one moment and then telling him he means nothing to her and he has no romantic right to her the next. And, based on what I'm seeing, I believe he's right: she doesn't love him. The way she talks about him, it's all about, "He seems like he's sweet and I want him." She's petulant and selfish. Granted, dating other people in front of her isn't the highest road for him to take, but he's hurt and trying to protect and distance himself. And her reaction, the first minute she can't have him and he's not at her beck and call, is to throw a baby's tantrum.

Ah, I kind of see Irulan's point on this one. First of all, Alton knows about Gabe. He is pursuing Irulan, knowing she has a boyfriend. Irulan does not know about the threesome and, as a matter of fact, he lied to Irulan about it. Also, I have to admit that I would be extremely pissed off if a guy had just told me he loved me and then, seconds later, moved over to a group of six girls and started flirting with them and getting their numbers. Also, there seems to be some confusion as to their exact relationship, doesn't there? Steven talks about them dating and Trishelle says they're sleeping together. It's obvious that they have some sort of relationship and it goes against all etiquette that I've ever seen in open relationships that you hook-up with someone else when you're with the person you're in the relationship with. Those things tend to be "with me, with me, not with me, with someone else." So I guess I kind of side with Irulan.

Also, I didn't like Alton's little speech about how everyone is taking him at his word because of how he has presented himself. He is lying to these people and he's using the knowledge that he's set himself up as the sensitive male to snow these people. That is so wrong.

What is inexcusable to me is Irulan's whimpering and insisting on going home. I have the same problem with Trishelle. Why in the world are you giving these guys such power over you? I know you can't always control you emotions but, damn, you can control your actions. Show a little dignity, girlfriend.

I think he's entitled to sleep with others (and a threesome — more power to him, I raise my glass to you, sir), since it's Irulan who's decided on these crazy rules, since she keeps telling him over and over that she's not committed to him (and, unless she's completely insane, that means he's not committed to her) and that he's not her boyfriend, since she already has one. That being the way of things, he doesn't owe her full disclosure. As she's free to see other people, so is he.

The flirting in front of her is petty, and no doubt he's trying to hurt her. But I view him as the first and deepest aggrieved, so I understand it. She made this screwed-up bed, and so she'd better learn lie in it. It's worse than Dana's Dating Plan.

I just feel that in this episode she pulled out the "I'm the woman, so I must automatically be the victimized" card. Which I detest. Because to me she's the victimizer. She has all the power — I think he loves her, and can't understand why she's playing these games with him — and she's not grown-up enough to accept the consequences of playing with another person's heart.

Well, that was disturbing.

Between them and the Jack Osbourne/Jason Dill throwdown, I've had quite enough ambiguous frightening wrestling for one week, thank you.

My man Alton fought the law, and the law won.

It's a shame. I choose to take the most charitable view, because I like him. He does, like the rest of the Vegas cast, have a tendency to drink to excess that is worrying. But certainly those Bunim-Murray hamsters in the wheel face a lot of provocation and hassling in the real world that doesn't make it into news reports like this. Also, there is the fact that he's a young black man in the South. Who knows?

I just finished reading that article. Seattle Stephen was jailed for turning tricks in Hollywood? And, on behalf of all Toyota Camry owners, hey!

I think the whole top of Steven's hair is thinning. I call that biological justice. I hope his head falls off afterward.

There's really no defending Alton anymore. Damn. The whole gang is a few years away from AA. If they're not, I don't understand how people go on like that.

So, so bored with the trials and tribulations of the bedhopping that's going on this season. The only thing worthwhile this episode was Brynn's smirk to the camera after Steven and Trishelle's mad rush to the bedroom.

I do have to say that I have noticed that this group of roommates is more likely to take the time to talk out their problems than season's past. Like Frank, instead of getting angry at Alton when Alton was going on about Frank "not having his back" and Frank just asking that they put the conversation off until the following morning when everyone was sober.

Trishelle's giddy excitement of having Steven back in her life is just painful to watch next to Steven's little love her/love her not dance.

IMO, Frank realized that Alton was a) drunk and b) incoherent even when he is not drunk. I just don't think he thinks it is worth it - witness the fact that when he does think it is worth it (like his arguments with Arissa), he is willing to say how he feels.

But, otherwise, yes, this season is officially the most boring thing ever.

Yes, it's actually rather impressive, given past seasons. And Frank's soft-pedaling restraint is the most remarkable. You've got to hand it to that guy: he knows how to defuse a situation. He's the Anti-Drama Queen... he's like a black hole that blots out all drama in the vicinity. Which I actually mean as a compliment.

Please make this end - I could not be more bored with Alton/Irulan and Steven/Trishelle. Seriously, we all "got" that these two couples were seriously dysfunctional months ago. How much more do we have to take?

Tell me about it. I really hope this is all bad editing and Irulan and Trishelle really aren't spending all this time pining after these boys who just want sex from them. It's pretty pathetic. At least with Trishelle I think that she truely is just naive and thinks that Steven really loves her. I think Irulan knows better though, Alton is being a giant player right in front of her... I hope she knows better.

I think this is the never ending season. According to MTV.com we are on episode #26. Chicago only had 24 episodes and Back to NY only 22.

I hear that there are supposed to be 30 episodes of this... and I'm delighted to hear that this one was 26. I somehow got it in my head that we'd only had 15 or so and that it only seemed like 60. Whew, end in sight.

I spoiler-font it, even though the idea of anyone caring about spoilers for this "show" is to laugh.

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Alton and Irulan are still together nowadays and very much a couple.

It's interesting but also sad to watch Trishelle and Steven's very different perspectives on this thing. Although they're both delusional: they're both under the delusion that he's not a prick.

I agree with you, eej. Steven is just an asshole. Knowing how Trishelle feels about him, he makes sure she knows he's going on a date, then he brings the girl back to the apartment, then he totally ignores his date to have sex with Trishelle. I find it particularly heinous that he once again tells Trishelle he loves her and then immediately backs off from the statement with Frank. And Frank, who at one point I was enjoying, completely lost any goodwill I had towards him with his "the skanks aren't here, yet." As if he is higher on the food chain than a Coyote Ugly waitress.

Trishelle is just painful to watch. I have never understood the appeal of Steven so I am continually baffled that she remains such a doormat. At least Alton has some physical hotness going for him. The minute he opens his mouth, though, he completely loses whatever appeal he may have. He speaks nonsense, he lies, he is starring in his own drama where he is the hero and the victim in need of rescuing. Irulan and her "love goeth before pride" silliness. Honey, take it from me, it's never worth sacrificing your pride when you're only a few weeks into a relationship. Get out while you can.

When I watch these shows, I try to remember if I was that delusional when I was that age and I can honestly say, I wasn't. I had a healthy scepticism when it came to lines being fed me and was much more reliant on actions vs. words. If we look at what Steven and Alton both do, as opposed to what they say, neither of them should have gotten past first base with their respective roommates.

I don't find either Steven or Alton attractive (and never have), so I don't think Alton even has physical hotness going for him.

As annoying as Trishelle and Steven are, I think that the dysfunctions in their relationship are you garden variety one-wants-more-than-the-other kind of thing. Irulan and Alton, on the other hand, feed off of each other's dysfunctions. As I have said before, I suppose it is a good thing that they are together since it will save two other poor souls from being used and abused by them.

Alton's argument that "I don't want to the guy who has to ask his girlfriend for everything" is just painful. The notion that his girlfriend has no right to expect that he would not accept the phone numbers of other women, that his refusal to do so will somehow make him appear whipped, is just offensive to me. I dislike him more and more each week.

I wholly disagree there. Steven is just another block-headed frat boy with hair gel, but Alton is physically incredibly beautiful. And that's not even looking below the neck.

I do think he's a generally decent and good person, but he's young and immature emotionally right now. And I also think he has a problem with alcohol — if not that he's addicted to it, that he's so out of control when he is and so willing to let himself get that way. I strongly suspect that most of the scenes we saw last night, and in fact most of the fights and makeout sessions with Irulan, happened while he and possibly also she were drunk.

I found Steven hateful long before this and for reasons that have nothing to do with his flaunting women in other women's faces. It really was cemented back when he had that fight with Brynn. He's just a detestable person, and it's made ten times worse by the fact that he pretends to be (and possibly believes he is) a sensitive wonderful person who's had all the therapy he'll ever need and is now "fixed." I'm surprised that there's room for two women in the house when his ego is in there.

Of course, he's found his perfect match in Trishelle. I can't help thinking of Six Feet Under's David saying, "He has anger issues, and I have dormat issues." Well, their relationship is nothing compared to this combination of dominator/victim.

Him saying, "I think I somehow may have told her I loved her again" made me want to spit. You think you did? It just happened? Oh, how convenient.

ejg, to each his own - Alton does nothing for me.

And, yes, we completely disagree on Alton. I have gotten into discussions with others who merely see him as immature. IMO, he has big time problems with women, in fact is a little misogynistic, and it is very manipulative and duplicitous. I think his issues go much deeper than merely that he is immature (though you may be on to something regarding his use of alcohol).

I think we have seen Alton lie once or twice to try to cover himself, but I don't know if he would have done so if it weren't for the TV cameras and the public exposure. It's Steven who's intentionally duplicitous in my eyes. He's simply not the innocent, well-intentioned half of a couple where one wants more than the other.

I think that Alton's playerism is all about the fact that he's a 22-ish boy living in a free luxury penthouse in Vegas. I do think he was drunk when he let that girl give him her number, but I also think he was telling the truth about not intending to use it. Furthermore, I think he's someone who wants to please everyone, so I think there's something in his comment that he didn't want to make the other girl feel bad. He enjoys collecting the numbers because it makes him feel unencumbered, but I don't think he would have followed through.

Why is he still flirting and acting like that when he's with Irulan? I think it's because he's scared, and freaked out about losing his emotional freedom and his self. I can get freaked out like that, often very early on in a relationship, but I don't express or handle it like a clueless 22-year-old boy who's only getting stupid advice and reinforcement from the 22-year-old yutzes he has as friends. The way he was articulating it to Irulan was just foot, straight in mouth.

And then there's the fact that this is not an ordinary girl. He has real reason to fear giving himself emotionally Irulan, because of how their early relationship played out... where she encouraged and cared for him, but then flaunted her love for someone else in his face and kept telling him with every word and deed that he was second best and would never have a right to her.

ejg, I am really not comparing Steven and Alton. Believe me, I don't think that Steven is sweetness and light - obviously, Steven has his emotional problems, too.

But I see Alton as much more duplicitous than you do - Alton's lies go beyond "one or two small lies" in front of the camera. We all saw the debacle over his "threesome" (either he lied about having it to Steven or he lied about not having it to Irulan), he lied about seeing Frank and Trishelle "hooking up," he lied about not being into "casual sex" (considering how many women we have seen him hook up with). IMO, he deliberately hooked up with one woman in order to force his ex-girlfriend to admit that she cheated on him (which is, IMO, extremely manipulative behavior), and his behavior in his relationship with Irulan have been this back-and-forth tendency to proclaim that he "loves" her while proving to her that he will be the one in control by constantly hooking up with other women.

Yes, Irulan is just as manipulative - as I said, these two deserve each other. But to me Alton's dysfunctions are far more sinister than mere "boys will be boys" immaturity.

Yeah, I think there's more to Alton than just your usual 22-year old male with too many beers immaturity. I think he has some severe emotional problems and I think he's an enormous manipulator who hides behind the sensitive boy facade in much the same way as Steven. Alton is just better at it because he truly believes his bullshit while Steven has a clue that he may be an asshole. Frankly, I'm not sure which is worse.

Good news, everyone! Next week is the final episode of the Real World Las Vegas season. Yay!

Free at last.

Man, wasn't this an episode of Friends? If your long term partner sleeps with someone else then you get back together is it cheating? Although, given her reaction I'm not entirely sure they were broken up at the time?

Small world that Arrissa and Irulan would have this common friend, eh?

Poor Trishelle. "Everyone else my age has been in love a ton of times." [sic] Frank's right, if that's what you're thinking you don't know what love is.

I only caught the second half of this, actually, so I wonder if we saw Tyler's whole face at any point. Because from under that baseball cap, he was one Marc-Blucas-looking sumbitch. The coloring, the teeth, the dimples, the body. Mmm.

I don't know that we saw a real good shot of his face, but we did see him without the hat. He had a very large forhead. I thought he looked a bit like Leonardo DiCaprio. I don't see the Blucas thing.

- Northern Star

Okay here's some cast dating info but its also a spoiler for the upcoming RR/RW challenge.