Seriously, could there *be* much more Dawn in that promo?

No Willow, no Xander, no Giles, not even Anya or Spike. Just Dawn and a bit of Buffy. Why don't they just go ahead and change the title already.

Ack! I totally forgot to watch the promo.

Probably just as good that I did, since I'm trying very hard to start the season off on a non-bitter note.

It'll probably last all of a week at best.

There was seriously no Willow in the promo? Geesh, you'd think people might be the slightest bit curious what happened to her since her little "trying to end the world" spree?

I noticed that too, SNeak. It was all Buffy and Dawn. How bitterly annoying. There was no Spike in the promos but James Marsters is hosting the premiere night. Gack!

Watching The Grave last night was a mistake on so many levels. And, dude, my bitterness is such that my friends who I introduced to the show do not want to watch the premiere with me because it will ruin their (so-called) enjoyment.

Lots of Dawn means lots of yawn.

Lame, but surprisingly accurate. The less I see of Dawn, the less I have to cover my ears to avoid potential Michelle Trachtenberg screeching.

If there's lots of Dawn in the promo, that can only mean that there's, um, lots of Dawn in the episode. Hence my non-excitement about the premiere.

Can we turn this into our new theme? It belongs on a t-shirt.

Well, you can but I'm kind of looking forward to the premiere of Buffy. I'm even debating getting Tivo so that I don't have to rely on downloading them to see the full episode given my work schedule.

Yeah, I rewatched Grave too. It, er, wasn't very good, was it? I liked it better at the end of last season. Oh well, it still had GILES!

I'm willing to go with Dawn-heavy episodes as long as it's not Save Screechy Dawn. If they get some life in the dialogue - and I know Joss wrote the premiere, so I've got hope - I'll be happy even if it's All About Dawn.

I'm guessing everyone else is in chat, right? Well, I'll be the first to weigh in over here then.

I liked it. I'm some sort of sucker because this back to high school thing is really working in making me forget about the last few years of the show and the steady decline in quality that accompanied them. Even though the new school is sleek and empty (kind of like the remodeled Bronze) I liked it well enough. There was an energy and movement there that has been notedly lacking. The episode itself was mild and inoffensive and fine with a beginning and ending that were mysterious. And I was definitely intrigued by the ending even though I was a little bit spoiled about it. (Not about the Buffy part which was what made it so great.)


I think I've let go of my bitterness. Watching Firefly which I found to be goofily bad in a fun good way (no, I know that doesn't make sense) has made me realize that I just want to enjoy myself while watching these shows. And tonight's ep allowed me to do that. If the writers decided that they're starting over, with Dawn and her own scooby gang, and I'm supposed to forget about the last six years of Buffy and her scooby gang and all the pain and bonding and developing that they did together, well then, fine. I accept that and won't take it so seriously anymore.

It also helps a great deal that I thought everyone's hair looked fabulous.

Not alone, aberdeen. I thought it was pretty darn good. A lot better than I was expecting (I've had a trying week and was prepared for the worst). That ending has me actually excited about what comes next. And yet? The episode confirmed that spoilers are completely unneccessary and ruin my fun.

Also, you were right on target about the hair. MT's was particularly lovely. In fact, I was thinking, "Bad sweater, love the hair, though." Even George Hertzberg's hair looked remarkably good. (Aw! They have styling gel wherever it is that demonoid hybrids go when they die.)

Two completely unexpected things: I didn't hate Spike and I kind of liked Dawn. Eej and SNeak, feel free to mock that statement.

Where is everyone? Oh, maybe in California where it's not over yet.

Overall? Me Likey!

That was one of the creepiest episodes in a long, long while. I actually jumped a couple of times (like where blond guy asks Dawn for a pencil). The fight scenes were also very well choreographed, the first time in a while. I am SOOOO glad that they didn't go with "Dawn is a good vampire slayer." I liked that Dawn pretty much sucked at it. Hope that continues.

The good:

The new principal - good chemistry with Buffy and hello! to the hotness.

Xander making his scenes count and being the guy that gets it done in the end.

Spike - I can't believe it, but his storyline might be interesting yet. And liked the hair!

Seeing Warren - didn't expect it - very creepy.

Seeing the Mayor - yea! Love the casual creepiness.

Seeing Dru - ah, good old days.

Seeing the Master - a fond walk down pontificating-campiness lane. I've always liked the Master.

Anya and what's her name talking shop.

The bad:

Seeing Glory - how not to be scary or funny in one easy lesson.

Dawn's Xander/Willow replacements. How con-veeeeen-ient. They weren't awful; we'll see.

EC looked scary and not in a good way. She looked so gaunt.

Giles and Willow slow-moving preachy scenes. (Though ASH looked great!).


Next week looks a bit too wacky for my taste, but then again, one thing I've learned about promos is that it's always real. Misleading.

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I keep almost posting about the ep and losing interest.

Lovedy loved the episode. Has Spike lost his mind, or is the hellmouth talking to him? Dawn was very non-annoying. Giles and Willow were okay, but not really enough about them to have much of an opinion on it really. I like the allusion that Willow now has all this power and has to deal - no running away from that. It'll be interesting to see how they handle that.

I was glad to see Buffy a bit back to herself with the Zombies and her whole "this is me not caring" bit. I like that she's picked up a job at the HS, and they'll have things centering around that a bit.

Why don't we have any Season 7 cast photos yet? UPN is still using the season 6 ones. :(

What SNeaker said. Yawn.

Damn, it wasn’t Dawn Buffy kicked in the head after all… stupid misleading promo clip. And I liked Dawn more than I liked Buffy; somebody please kick me in the head.

I don’t know. I’m all confused. The most promising bits were at the beginning and the end. I think that first girl in Istanbul was a Slayer. I knew it… I never bought that whole idea that the Slayer line progresses only through Faith. New Slayer! Well, new dead Slayer, looks like… which means another Slayer. That idea excites me.

And that end bit. What a huge thrill, seeing all those beloved villains of years past. It’s startling, seeing them all in perfect makeup and clothes, looking just as they were. Except for Adam, who seemed to have been hit with the bad hair stick. Adam, how I missed you…

I lied that Spike’s nutters. It’s a different tune than Angel’s post-resouling grief orgy. And it makes story sense, him feeling remorse without being all wussified. And he’s so now suited to be with Dru again. They’re a perfect match.

So, what, Buffy has an evil twin? Buffy is the bad guy? All the villains have been the same villain? That’d be neat.

Has Buffy lost her mind and forgotten that humans and Slayers are different? You don't train humans. As expected, I don’t like the focus on Sunnydale High and Scrappy Doo and her new sidekicks. I don’t like the extreme contrivance (contrivance alert level 7) of Buffy suddenly being offered that imaginary job by that strangely prominent new principal. I don’t like Anya’s stupid Monkees look, although her hair is good; I just don’t think the character should be around anymore, now that her point and usefulness is expended. I don’t buy the Xander promotion and his transformation into a 40-year-old Mike Brady.

I liked what they’re doing with Willow — “I just want to be Willow again” is an excellent start, and articulates our own feelings. But I do wish they could have taken away her stupid powers and let her be hacker girl again. Most of all I think I liked how unglossy and real she looked. Somebody de-shine Buffy’s hair and clothes. Oddly Giles fell flat and really did seem like Albus Dumbledore.

Ah, Mutant Enemy? When I said they should all go back to school, I meant college.

Edited: Hee! I’ve just read jenelope’s post and instead of what she expected, I agree in spite of myself. Except that I liked Dawn’s sweater; it was a relief to see a woman on this show walking around in her daily life in a top that was neither backless nor satin. Also, we have polar opposite opinions about George Hertzberg’s hair. He’s not a biomechanical Backstreet Boy, for chrissake.

I thought Marsters hair was similarly ridiculous. And I think perhaps they shouldn’t have tried to garb Giles in the entire J. Peterman catalog all at once.

Also, I know we always said the gang were stupid not to use cell phones and pagers, but now that I’ve seen that 60-minute Motorola ad, I get why. It’s ridiculous in a work of drama. “Hi, Xander, there’s a demon on your left… oh, wait, I’m going through a tunnel…”

I was more psyched for the Smallville premiere, but I really liked this one.

I'm pleased. It's only one episode, and the energy could go poof again once it's not Joss-written, but I liked it. I think I benefitted by not seeing the promo, because the scene in which Dawn and Kit fell through the floor was genuinely scary to me. And the Spike goodness. And the presence of Giles.

I have to disagree about everyone's hair being good, though... what's with Willow's haircolor?

And... I liked the Dawn sweater. It's ugly, but it actually looks good on her, with her body language. I don't know what's come over me.

I'm copying and pasting my posts from TWoP. Because I can.

Ah, here it is. Dawn the Vampire Slayer. Because Buffy has often trained and brought on patrol her human friends with no special powers because anyone who's trained can fight as well as a slayer and why do we need slayers again?

Successful Xander! Synomymous with Dull Xander, Bland Xander, and Wallpaper Xander! This is the source of my gladness. ::rolls eyes::

Is it just me, or does everyone at the HS besides Dawn look about 20 years older than her? (Except of course, for Buffy, and if one more person implies that she looks like or could in any way be Dawn's mom, I'm throwing down.) Sooo not interested in Sunnydale High: The Next Generation.

Willow and Giles- nice at first, but isn't this from the same writer who gave us "blah blah moon, blah blah gaia?" We don't need you to fill in the "blah blah's" Joss. I don't want Willow taking over Tara's Earth Mother Goddess role. (Did she actually say "goddess?" Bad fanfic everywhere is given legitimacy. Kill me now.)

Spike's..turned...into Dru?

What a painful reminder of how terribly lame the majority of big-bads have been. The Mayor was fabulous as always, but flying solo, since Dru had to represent season 2 instead of Spike or Angelus.

I'm calling The Master's "you're a pathetic shmuck" as a shoutout to me.

Shouldn't a season premiere of an ensemble show have like, the whole cast working together and stuff? I mean, ok, Willow and Giles are in England, that's fine, but Buffy was away in Anne and there was still decent group slaying and interaction. But now it's like...who exactly are these people and why should we care about them again?

When I first heard the whole "back to basics" thing, I thought it would mean back to what made this show good. Not "Let's relive our glory days, but with the quality of season 5!"

Joss: Hi, we had to do this lame plot in season 5 because the characters are adults now and the couldn't stay in High School forever, and people change because they aren't in High School anymore, and you just can't handle darkness but we couldn't keep doing High School stories forever so this year we're going back to High School. Only this time, instead of providing a fresh innovative show with lovable and layered characters, we're going to perpetuate the same cliches we used to subvert. That's original, right?

I mean, come ON. The worst kids in the school are an hispanic who smokes and a girl with a pink streak in her hair? What badasses! And Buffy rehabilitated them in 2 1/2 minutes! She's a miracle worker, that completely fucked up not trained in social work at all slayer.

The (I laughingly use the phrase) plot of the people Buffy couldn't save was so incredibly empty. I don't think she should harp on all the people she couldn't save but man, the whole thing just looked so bitchy and awful.

I did like the opening sequence in Istanbul, and the ending with the shapeshifting. I hate to say it though, as someone who's always been a fan of Buffy the character and SMG...Gellar has totally lost Buffy. She's just not Buffy anymore. It's not something I can explain, it just feels true.

(Ok, so maybe I did have what to say.)

I largely agree with you that SMG has lost Buffy, SNeak. I just... don't care. Huh. As long as JM is compelling as Spike I seem not to care if Buffy is hollow. I still care that Willow's trapped in a ridiculous storyline, but I seem to maintain this alternate reality in which SMG's performance is tuned up, and proceed from there.

It was so good to see the Mayor again, did I mention that? It was. But I liked the whole panoply of villains. Once I knew Glory wasn't staying, that is.

No more watching with the folks I watched with. They think nothing of talking over dialogue and chatting about unrelated things during moody tension-building bits. Aigh!

SNeaker, that middle paragraph to Joss is so true. And I too loved hearing Spike be called a shmuck. It's even better if he was imagining that figure... but I hope he's not. God, what does it say that I was nostalgic and happy to see Glory? I never even liked her or that season. But, man, Adam, Drusilla, the Mayor...

I also feel that she's not Buffy anymore. She's Buffah Michelle Gellar, Queen of Hair Shine.

It's just that... not that Gellar has forgotten how to play Buffy, but that perhaps she just won't anymore. The star presence has finally grown so large that it's swallowed up the character. It's happened many times before.

I really enjoyed the episode. I about thought I would die from the Domestic!Buffy/Xander vibes. And I pretty much loved everything.

Spike's hair made me laugh all the way through the commercial break. I mean, yes, insanity (did the voices come with the madness or did they drive him mad?), but still. Funny as hell.

Also, he's not so insane that he's neglected to touch up his highlights.

But what about his roots???

Aww. I liked Spike's hair. And we needed less of Dawn and more of that principal. I know he's got two strikes against what with him being black and the principal of Sunnydale High School but I vote he gets to stay.

Did I mention that there was way too much Dawn in this episode? Overall, I thought it was okay. Not great but not horrible. It certainly wasn't Buffy vs. Dracula bad. I probably like it more than I would've if they hadn't had that ending scene where all the Big Bads showed up. It was good to see the Mayor and the Master. I am of the opinion that Spike was not hallucinating and the same thing that was responsible for the ghost/zombies was responsible for the shape shifting.

It was good to see Giles but if I don't know if I have the fortitude to live through a season of Earth Mother Willow. Especially if it is combined with Guilt Ridden/Angsty Spike and Dawn, the Slayer in Training.

So, to recap:

Too much Dawn. Not enough Principal Hottie. Spike's hair was okay. Wake me up when we get to the last five minutes of the episode.

Okay, I understand where the non-likey comments are coming from, but this is the best non-rerun episode I've seen since "One More, With Feeling." Okay, so maybe "Tabula Rasa." Whatever. Either way, I liked it.



That pretty much sums things up for me. I've hated Spike since "Lovers Walk," and I've hated Dawn since the first time she screeched in "Buffy vs. Dracula," but I rather enjoyed the both of them tonight. And, sigh, fine, I'll admit it - James Marsters was looking hot. He's never done much of anything for me, but the hair was great. As was Trachtenberg's hair. She was looking very pretty. Essentially, I can think of very few insults for the both of them.

However, I did have problems (shut up) with the episode. One, I think Dawn's friends were terrible actors. Two, Xander. Xander just didn't seem real to me. It was as if Joss had forgot about what was happened to Xander in the series' run, and just whipped up a more professional and a heavier Xander. If it weren't for the obvious, there was no proof that this was the Xander we've seen in previous seasons. I guess I shouldn't have expected to see good ol' Xander.

I enjoyed the scenes in England. Not only was it very pretty, but it was nice to see Giles and Willow separated from the gang. While I've completely lost any love that I had for Willow after last season, Alyson Hannigan somehow always finds a way to pull me in again. I don't want to feel sympathy for her! She doesn't deserve it!

Additional thoughts: Like Principal Wood of former O&A fame; the scene with Anya and Halfrek wasn't too tediously annoying; there were, in fact, some scary bits in this episode - especially the "Can I borrow a pencil?" bit, I was panting with excitement when I got to see the Mayor, and while I know a lot of you hate her, Drusilla is one of my all-time favorite characters (hence the icon) and I was very pleased to see her; and, overall, I'd say this was a much, much better premiere than both "Bargaining," and "Buffy vs. Dracula." Especially the latter.

I won't pretend to completely comprehend the ending.

I was more baffled by the beginning. I assumed that the Istanbul girl was a slayer-in-training to juxtapose Dawn's whole slayer-in-training by Buffy (since she didn't seem to have the preternatural strength thing going. Buffy wouldn't have had to climb the gutter, she could have hopped up to the roof.) But it was vague and I'm wondering if we'll ever get an explanation as to why that girl was in the ep.

I think Istanbul was the first indication of some thread that will unfold over episodes, like the Knights Who Say "Key".

QUOTE (ladexter @ Today at 9:00 am)

It was as if Joss had forgot about what was happened to Xander in the series' run, and just whipped up a more professional and a heavier Xander.[/quote] Amen. Also, ladexter, I love Drusilla more and more as the years go by. Very happy to see her, especially now that her boyfriend's wackier than she is. I'm sure she'll enjoy the comparative mental health... I can see her lording it over him. "Ducks, who thinks it's the ceiling now? Huh? Huh?" I think Willow does deserve forgiveness and reacceptance into the group. After all, she's the victim of a foul (and lame) writer plot. Every time the new principal was on screen doing his strangely awkward goo-goo eye shtick, I saw a big red warning light over his head saying, "THIS IS BUFFY'S NEXT BOYFRIEND. PLEASE DO NOT PANIC. PROCEED TO ADORE HIM IN AN ORDERLY FASHION." It was horrifying... much like the introduction of Ben. Also, for the first time since he joined them, there was no picture of Riley in the credits. Sob. As long as there was still that little clip, I felt like there was some connection between this show and the one that held me by the entrails. scully Sep 25 2002, 02:42 PM Well, all in all, I enjoyed it. Kind of like I enjoyed last season (for the most part) after I just let go of the bitterness. So, since, unfortunately, two of the few shows I actually watch anymore were airing on the same day at the exact. same. time, I was at mum's watching and taping The Sopranos while my boy took care of doing the same for Buffy. When I got home: Furie: "It was pretty good, actually.." scully: "Yeah? Wait.. Did you like the finale in May?" Furie: "Feh.." scully: "Ok. Then I might trust your judgement on this." Strongest emotion for me during the ep? "Oh, ok. They're just showing previous Big Bads... Wait.. Is.. is The Mayor in this..? [Furie nods] The Mayor!! Dad!!! Wheeee!!!" I have to agree that this episode had a good dose of the creeps in it. I guess when it comes down to it, ghosts/apparitions are always effective in scaring me. (I'll admit to doing a poor "I see dead people." bit when Dawn and Co. were in the basement) Seeing Warren, though? Scared the bejesus out of me. Wheee! I like that feeling. The fact that Buffy now a has a (low, but still!) paying job as Sunnydale High security had me all kinds of happy for her. I might've been the only one who agreed that she should go with those aptitude tests that pegged her as a law enforement type. Oh, right! Istanbul Girl. Oddly enough, I forgot about her until I came to the boards. Huh.. And this is by no means a reflection of my interest in her, just that I've had a very tiring month. QUOTE But, man, Adam, Drusilla, the Mayor... Eej? I'd like to respectfully request that you not ever, ever put that.. droid's name in the same context as Dru and my beloved Mayor. QUOTE I won't pretend to completely comprehend the ending Heh. I'm not ashamed to admit this either. And actually, the vibe I got with Principal Dude and Sunnydale High v2.0 is that it would be the proverbial red herring of the season. Like, everytime something seems shady, the Scoobs would all hastily point to the HS or the seemingly creepy principal. But in the end, nothing of major significance would ever happen there. Kind of a paranoia scapegoat for the Buff, you know? I dunno... QUOTE I felt like there was some connection between this show and the one that held me by the entrails. Um.. Ew? ejg25 Sep 25 2002, 03:01 PM Obsession isn't pretty. Adam? At the time I thought he was monotonous and boring. In retrospect, I find him wonderfully silly and campy. He's so ridiculous he's cool. It doesn't hurt that he looks fine out of makeup, and is bloody huge. ButterflyInMotion Sep 25 2002, 03:32 PM You know, oddly, I didn't consider the ominous talk to be misleading. That is how they view the school. And they should. QUOTE And actually, the vibe I got with Principal Dude and Sunnydale High v2.0 is that it would be the proverbial red herring of the season. Like, everytime something seems shady, the Scoobs would all hastily point to the HS or the seemingly creepy principal. But in the end, nothing of major significance would ever happen there. Kind of a paranoia scapegoat for the Buff, you know? And yet, I would love to see that happen. Actually, I saw this Xander as the Xander we were always moving toward. One day he will be suave and handsome. And he is. Smart but still adorable and funny. I mean, he's meeting clients! For his job! Gah! Could! Die! Okay, Xander's crew is only working in two areas, the science building and the gym. Neither of which was near the fallen area. Coolness. He didn't actually miss anything where he was. And 'Contracty goodness'! So cute. Buffy! Checks! Xander's watch! Xander's! They are <i>so</i> married. Without the kissing. Again, I mention the need for the kissing to happen this year. But still. So married! About the private school thing: my brother is in his junior year of College and we still haven't paid off the private school he went to. Which means that he doesn't have a copy of his diploma. Doesn't get it 'til the school has all the money. Mom's hoping that he'll get it before he graduates from college. I partially went to public HS so that I could miss that particular drama. Yay!Diploma. Giles! Horse! Gah! Sexiness! Willow's saying 'Goddess' now. Hmm. For anyone wondering, the actor of Principal Robin Wood is named W.B. Woodside. Hee. They're just doing that on purpose. The Buffy/Dawn interaction rocks this year. The manly nodding as Xander discharges the keeping of the Boss!desk into someone else's hands! Hee! Spike: "Buffy... duck." Buffy: "What? Duck? There's a duck?" *Buffy gets bashed on the head* Aw. He <i>was</i> trying to help. He just sucked at it. Note to Buffy: Learn to duck. And the second time around, Spike's ranting means something else. He's talking to the shapeshifter insanity thing! And Buffy doesn't get it, like Fraser talking to his dead dad on <i>due South</i>. Again, I <i>like</i> Insane!Spike. SNeaker Sep 25 2002, 03:32 PM Yeah, it's weird. I hated Adam and Glory but seeing them again just felt exciting. It's Adam! And Glory! I haven't seen them in forever. Like the ugly shirt your mom made you wear when you were a kid and you hated it with all your being, but when you see it now you get all nostalgic. And...I kinda have a crush on Warren. Shh. When I picture him he has much less body hair.. ejg25 Sep 25 2002, 03:58 PM ...and a whole different face? scully Sep 25 2002, 04:08 PM 'Cause, dude... SNeaker Sep 25 2002, 04:21 PM He's cute! In a nerdly sort of way. I just like the way he says "Dude." And the way he put his hand on his face when he saw Spike and Anya on the monitors. There's just something very appealing about him (minus the misogynist sociopath thing, I mean.) It's more Adam Busch than Warren. I'm sick, I need help. I'm aware. scully Sep 25 2002, 04:22 PM Waaaiiiiit a minute. Your crush on Warren is nothing more than some sick gratitude for having indirectly killed Tara, isn't it? Isn't it?! Snerk SNeaker Sep 25 2002, 04:23 PM Ha! Now that you mention it, he did do me quite a service. Claudia Sep 25 2002, 04:58 PM I thought the "just us three" might mean Buffy, Spike, and his soul. Maybe it was the evil shapeshifting presence. I'm strangely unconcerned by needing to make sense of every bit of what he said... he's already more lucid though less poetic than Dru. QUOTE The fact that Buffy now a has a (low, but still!) paying job as Sunnydale High security had me all kinds of happy for her. I might've been the only one who agreed that she should go with those aptitude tests that pegged her as a law enforement type. I call that a loose translation of the text. SNeak: harrumph. jenelope Sep 25 2002, 05:43 PM SNeak? I totally get it. I mean, not the Tara death thing. I liked Tara. But Adam Busch? Yeah. kmm56 Sep 25 2002, 06:09 PM QUOTE Every time the new principal was on screen doing his strangely awkward goo-goo eye shtick, I saw a big red warning light over his head saying, "THIS IS BUFFY'S NEXT BOYFRIEND. PLEASE DO NOT PANIC. PROCEED TO ADORE HIM IN AN ORDERLY FASHION." It was horrifying... much like the introduction of Ben. Yeah, but Hottie Principal I liked. I can get behind him as a Buffy Boyfriend. Besides, it's late in the show's run! He could survive intact! Yeah, I know, it's going to be Buffy-n-Spike. I'm nursing my illusions. Besides, in honor of Spike's new soul I switched my Redemptionot!zi poster over to the Redemptionista side, so I really need to let that one go... I was sad that we didn't get to see Angelus in the bad guy roll call, though I understand and sympathize with the reasons we can't. I wonder how often we'll see them all? Funny - I actually found myself thinking that I felt SMG was doing a good Buffy. Everyone felt like themselves-except-older, which is what they've said they were doing all along except they weren't. I have hopes for the turnaround here with going back to the high school. Not because I'm all excited for Dawn and her new Scooby Gang (how much was I hoping the other two would get killed? Very much) but because I think on a metaphorical level that's a very sensible way to do Adult Scoobies. Turn it around, have them see it from the other side. Best laugh line of the episode: "It's not an addiction." --Giles I just about died. Didn't like Spike's hair, but then I always liked him better shellacked. Wondering how he got back to Sunnydale, and wondering if he was brought. Presumably the Roll Call plans to use him somehow. (The First Evil? What with the shapeshifting and all?) Anyway, I liked it. I thought it was solid, and the characters all felt alive and recognizable, and yes, the hair was excellent on average. Good point on Willow's lack of shininess, too. It's probably a mark of my waning obsession that I seriously considered watching the Civil War on PBS instead and seeing the taped version when I got back to Yakima on Friday, but once I'd watched Buffy I was glad I had. Oh, and last comment: Yay for Xander for *not* ignoring Buffy this time when she told him there were demons at the construction site! ejg25 Sep 25 2002, 06:09 PM Try as I might, I cannot imagine Buffy having an epic bittersweet romance with a high school principal. Blechh. I'm with Claudia. I think Buffy is more of a guidance counselor than a security person. Actually, I would have found it a lot more plausible and less out-of-the-writerly-blue if the principal had acknowledged that he knew she was the Slayer and hired her as security. That would've made perfect — if convenient — sense. Or she could have been hired to teach self-defense. I just feel that Buffy is inherently unsuited to guide and counsel young people. I can already imagine her weekly intervention lecture on avoiding the dangers of shortness. ButterflyInMotion Sep 25 2002, 06:12 PM Adam Busch is hot. And apparently a really nice guy. Very friendly to fans. I really love the new Principal. So he'll probably die. And Kit and Carlos (the kids) were cool. Also, their names sound nice together. Kit and Carlos. Carlos and Kit. Did I mention the B/Xiness? Because. Dude. kmm56 Sep 25 2002, 06:15 PM Ooh, I forgot, two other things: 1) Look! It's a vampire, coming out of the ground, completely unaware how he got down there, asking nicely for help, and then trying to eat someone! You know why? Because he's EVIL! EVIL EVIL EVIL! Ha! (Sorry. That just made me smile.) 2) So was Spike unable to cut out his heart because he's still chipped and can't hurt a souled being? eej: Yeah, well. I actually don't ask a great deal of logical sense out of _Buffy_ in some ways. This is the same show who had them run their operation out of the library for three years, despite the fact that vampires could walk right in, instead of using Giles' living room or something. ejg25 Sep 25 2002, 06:30 PM Okay, your point about Buffy and Spike has me changing my viewpoint to "Go, whitehot principal love." Better anything than that. But, really, Buffy has had so many wonderful men in her life, so many great loves... let it go. Have her be single or have her be split equally between Riley and Angel. We don't need to see another lurve every year. I thought Spike was trying to tear out the soul, not the heart. Which makes perfect sense — I liked that, nice touch. Claudia Sep 25 2002, 06:48 PM I don't think he's crazy enough to think that'd work, though. And I do agree with the hotness of Adam Busch. Just not that killing Tara that way was anything but a crappy bit of writing. yojanebo Sep 25 2002, 07:06 PM While I give the episode a tentative thumbs up, I feel bad that a healthy percentage of my bitterness was melted away by the inclusion of The Mayor. I'm, like, the cheapest date *ever*. mjforty Sep 25 2002, 07:37 PM Yojanebo: That's me sitting next to you at the McDonald's because I was more or less bored by the episode until the shape shifter thing happened. Then I was "oh, okay, then, I guess I like it." Well, that and I could look at the Hottie Principal all day long. ejg25 Sep 25 2002, 08:55 PM Hee, yojanebo. I think we're all cheap dates, after being served sawdust on a piece of cardboard for so many years. I do think Spike is crazy enough to think that would work. He's completely round the bend... he's onto the straight part. aberdeen Sep 25 2002, 10:02 PM Wait, you got sawdust on your cardboard? Damn, I'm jealous! mjforty Sep 26 2002, 05:05 AM Yeah, but she had to put out for the sawdust, aberdeen. jenelope Sep 26 2002, 09:18 AM Personally, I think that Principal McHottie intended Buffy's "job" to be a glorified room mother. It's community outreach with a nominal salary. I have a feeling that she will soon make herself indispensible and snag a more solid position, though. This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here. Invision Power Board © 2001-2010 Invision Power Services, Inc.