Hey boys and girls.
New topic. Celebrity Gossip. Pretty self explanatory. Have fun. Be nice.
And to get the ball rolling, I'm guessing the below news comes as no suprise.
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Somebody's missing their weekly Heat Fix, aren't they?
I knew about the wedding actually. Certainly not lasted long!
Pandrea
Nov 27 2002, 08:47 AM
QUOTE I wish Nicholas Cage hadn't divorced Patricia Arquette, because now she's married to someone I would so love to be able to be interested in. Ah, well. Who dat? Anyway, how DO you feel about the Ben 'n' J-Lo thing? QUOTE Somebody's missing their weekly Heat fix, aren't they? Not for long ...
Piranha
Nov 27 2002, 03:31 PM
Michael Jackson. Is it possible that during any of his surgeries, he suffered brain damage? The whole changing of appearance thing is bizarre (I don't think I've spelled that correctly), but the baby-dangling performance last week was criminal - to the extent where any other parent who deliberately dangled an infant over a balcony several storeys up would be had up on charges of child endangerment. I don't have a problem with him changing his face - the net effect of that is that he looks like an idiot on many levels. The allegations of child molestation some years back always concerned me, but we don't know enough about that to make a judgment. The baby-dangling incident is a whole other can o' beans.
Ben and J-Lo? I'm okay with that. No, actually, I could care less.
Y'know what amazes me: in the last five years or so, a huge number of the formerly successful Hollywood marriages have broken down very publicly: obviously there was Tom and Nicole, and Dennis and Meg....but there was also Alec Baldwin and Kim Bassinger, Harrison Ford and his wife.....
Nalian
Nov 27 2002, 03:49 PM
Piranha
Nov 27 2002, 04:00 PM
Oh my Lord, that's sad.
mjforty
Nov 27 2002, 04:37 PM
Piranha: The California authorities are investigating Michael Jackson. The news item here was that they were looking into who the mother was and seeing if she had any desire to fight for custody. I think its highly unlikely that the mother will fight for custody since she probably signed away parental rights for a big chunk of change, a la Debbie Rowe.
I have to admit to feeling really concerned about his children. Besides the baby dangling incident (which shows that the man obviously has no idea how to hold a child), the next day he took his two oldest out to the zoo and forced them to wear red veils over their faces so they could't be photographed. He is worried that they will be kidnapped. I think someone should kidnap those kids and save them from their father. He has also said he is planning on home schooling the children so it is possible that these children will grow to adulthood without ever having any exposure to the outside world (that is, exposure that isn't hampered by a fucking red veil).
I don't know about brain damage. I think it's a combination of body dysmorphication and the Howard Hughes-syndrome of surrounding yourself with people who go along with every hare-brained scheme you come up with instead of saying "Dude, that's just stoopid."
Pandrea
Nov 27 2002, 05:07 PM
Well, yeah, he clearly doesn't have any notion of how to hold a wriggling baby but doesn't he have, like, six nannies on staff? I don't suppose he does much nappy changing. Of course, the nannies shouldn't let him near it if that's what he's going to do, but that doesn't worry me so much as the abuse allegation, because it was stupidity, not malice. The veils and the huge protection thing: well, I dunno. It's true that any children of his could never have a normal life; he can hardly send them to local schools. To be honest, I think anyone in such a weird position just shouldn't have children and inflict his lifestyle on them.
Meowcat
Nov 27 2002, 05:29 PM
Has anyone else seen the photo of what he would look like if he hadn't had the surgery?
It was amazing - normal and even good looking. I'll see if I can find a link.
BJC
Nov 27 2002, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (Pandrea @ Yesterday at 11:47 pm) QUOTE Somebody's missing their weekly Heat fix, aren't they? Not for long ... Yeah, when it eventually bloody gets here. :-) Those poor poor kiddies of Michael Jackson, what hope are they ever going to have of a normal life.
Heatherbelle
Nov 27 2002, 06:12 PM
Have you got Andrea supplying the next dose? Not that I can talk - Tuesday isn't really Tuesday unless I have my new copy. I'm such a Gossip fiend.
I really do feel sorry for Jackson's kids. Although I hadn't realised that there was a third until now. And 'Prince Michael II'? The kid's got the same name as his brother. That's just a trifle bizarre.
BJC
Nov 27 2002, 06:22 PM
Edited cause Pan explained it.
mjforty
Nov 27 2002, 06:28 PM
Pandrea, I didn't mean to imply that Michael Jackson not knowing how to hold his son was a clear sign of abuse. I just thought it was interesting given all the press we have from his PR people about what a wonderful parent he is.
I disagree that his children couldn't attend school like other children. L.A. schools are full of celebrity children. I think it would do them a world of good. I also think that that type of isolation is a form of child abuse and should be looked into. Your children can't go outside unless you put a red veil on their head. How about just letting the children go to the zoo with their nannies. Then the press wouldn't be falling all over themselves trying to photograph them because they wouldn't know they were Michael Jackson's kids.
Piranha
Nov 27 2002, 09:18 PM
QUOTE I disagree that his children couldn't attend school like other children. L.A. schools are full of celebrity children. I think it would do them a world of good. I also think that that type of isolation is a form of child abuse and should be looked into. You're right, mj. He is denying his children any shot they might have at normality, by denying them contact with 'normal' children in a normal world, and secondly, by locking them up, either behind the gates at Never-neverland or behind the insanity of surgical masks and veils. From a psych perspective, it looks to me as though we're dealing with someone who is quite genuinely unfit to be a parent. His judgment is way off. It's tragic, but to continue on in this way and allow those children to be irreparably damaged is infinitely worse. I feel so sad for the gorgeous little boy who was Michael Jackson. I've already posted on this: in relation to the plastic surgery, I believe he's mentally unwell. Gone postal. Cracked a nutty. It's self-mutilation, and is a sign of a massively distorted self image. He has huge psychological problems, and the concept of that being okay because he's an eccentric superstar does not apply when he is a parent with sole custody of three young children.
ejg25
Nov 27 2002, 11:32 PM
QUOTE The kid's got the same name as his brother. That's just a trifle bizarre. Could have been worse. He could have named the baby George Forman. I didn't think the baby dangling was a problem or something normal parents wouldn't do. I've seen plenty of fathers toss their kids up in the air and catch them, and I remember that when we all went to visit the Griffith Observatory during the last Nanapalooza, there was a couple who had their toddler sitting on the edge of the ledge out over the city, secured only by an arm around his waist. I think it's all just a matter of personal vertigo tolerance. I think he just held the baby on the outside of the ledge instead of the inside because he thought the crowd wouldn't be able to see it otherwise. The veil thing, on the other hand, is actionable. To answer Pandrea's question, Arquette is married to Thomas Jane, a really winning individual who pops up here and there... most notably as Mickey Mantle in Billy Crystal's movie 61*. I believe the two of them either just had a baby or are going to. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez... I do try to reserve judgement, because I don't really know anything about these people and what their interactions together may be. Were I not reserving judgement, I'd deliver him the lecture, "We're not mad; we're just disappointed."
kmm56
Nov 28 2002, 12:17 AM
RE Michael Jackson, I just recently figured out what his goal is with his plastic surgery.
He wants to look like Peter Pan.
I realized this when I saw one of the ads for the new Peter Pan animated movie go by. The similarity really is striking - and hey, Jackson lives in a place called Neverland...
Pandrea
Nov 28 2002, 03:17 AM
To clarify, mj, I meant the earlier abuse allegation with that boy Jordy was the one that worried me far more. I hate to think of him getting away with stuff like that because of who he is. And I take the point that other famous people send their kids to school - I guess Madonna's daughter goes to school somewhere? - although they must have mega protection from the press and kidnappers. Everyone's so fascinated by Jacko that it would be tough for them, but I suppose do-able. I do think he's mentally disturbed and it's not even funny to joke about him being white or whatever anymore. The man's ill. But it's confused because for years he definitely exaggerated his eccentricities for publicity - eg, the whole thing about him sleeping in an oxygen tent? His people released that to the press and he posed for pictures. Someone's lost control of how he's presented and it's sad to think that there's no one who cares enough about him who'll get him help. Beej, I sent you something else recently and stuck the current issue in, that's what I meant. Hopefully it'll turn up soon. QUOTE "We're not mad; we're just disappointed." And wondering just how long it'll last ... come on, we all are. Didn't she just get married five minutes ago? How can she even be bothered planning another big wedding? Surely the novelty must wear off after two.
Mirren
Nov 28 2002, 08:02 AM
QUOTE And I take the point that other famous people send their kids to school ... although they must have mega protection from the press and kidnappers. Apparently all Paul McCartney's kids went to their local comprehensive.
mjforty
Nov 28 2002, 08:38 AM
I agree with you, Pandrea, that the previous charges of sexual misconduct with minors is something to be concerned about. One of the articles I read said that the California authorities keep a close eye on Jackson's household because of those incidents. However, this is a state agency that is severely understaffed and underfunded so I wonder how well a job they can do.
As for Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, really, other than wondering how often Jennifer Lopez will try and pull off the "no, really, this is the one. I know I said that last time, but I didn't know what true love was because I hadn't met [insert new male companion's name here] yet." She really is giving Julia Roberts a run for her money, isn't she? At least Julia has a tendency to call things off before she actually walks down the aisle.
Piranha
Nov 28 2002, 03:22 PM
QUOTE Apparently all Paul McCartney's kids went to their local comprehensive. Actually there is no earthly reason why Jacko's kids couldn't go to the local school. I mean, it's not like they *look* like him, and given the recent history with red veils, we don't know what they look like either.
BJC
Nov 28 2002, 05:56 PM
QUOTE Beej, I sent you something else recently and stuck the current issue in, that's what I meant. Hopefully it'll turn up soon. Ooooo, thanks Pan!
And the Michael Jackson fodder keeps on rolling in: QUOTE Jackson on crutches after spider bite
SANTA MARIA, California (Reuters) - Superstar Michael Jackson has turned up on crutches in a California courtroom after a close encounter with a spider.
Jackson, whose bizarre appearance and baby-dangling antics have made headlines around the world for the past three weeks, was resuming testimony in a $21 million (13.4 million pound) lawsuit over cancelled millennium concerts.
But it was the self-styled King of Pop himself, dressed up in a white satin vest and tie, who again provided most of the drama.
Explaining the crutches and the white athletic sock he was wearing on one foot, Jackson told reporters; "It is a spider bite. It is real bad. If I showed it to you, you'd be shocked. It hurts very much right now as I speak."
Jackson, who keeps tarantulas at his Neverland Valley ranch near the central California town of Santa Maria where the suit is being heard, said his foot had swollen up after being bitten by a common spider during a fumigation of his home. The suspect was not one of his pet tarantulas.
Jackson, 44, wearing pink lipstick and rouged cheeks, later got playful with the courtroom photographer whose close-up pictures of the singer last month shocked fans and prompted a media frenzy about the effects of plastic surgery on his nose.
During a lull in testimony, he pulled goofy faces at the photographer and used his fingers to make horns above his head.
Meowcat
Dec 3 2002, 06:49 PM
Just when you think Michael jackson can't get weirder he does.
libbylou
Dec 3 2002, 06:55 PM
He does get weirder. It's actually kind of sad. I feel so sorry for his children. Imagine having 2 named the same. Particularly, that name. It's the height of egocentricity. Blech.
As to Dogma. I loved it too. I thought it was excellent. I also loved Ben'n'Matt playing off each other. They have excellent chemistry.
Nalian
Dec 4 2002, 11:18 AM
He just keeps on digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.
Meowcat
Dec 4 2002, 07:08 PM
For a man with that much money surely he can afford a decent PR company and lawyers who will a) deal with such situations and b) tell him what to say or tell him to shut up and speak for him.
Piranha
Dec 4 2002, 07:15 PM
Well, he could probably afford them, but would he listen? The hallmark of real mental dissociation is not being able to recognise logic, having difficulty distinguishing right from wrong, and refusing to listen. He seems to have all three. In my very first tutorial as a communications student I was taught that it's very very difficult - if not ethically wrong - to make a bad client look good. I wouldn't want to be Jacko's publicist.
Oh this is funny, again its Michael and that court case...... QUOTE He often seemed to be withholding a smile as he repeatedly responded to questions from a frustrated attorney for concert promoter Marcel Avram with the words "I don't recall."
"That's administrative work. That's not what I do. I'm the entertainer," Jackson said of the details involved in planning concerts.
When attorney Louis R. "Skip" Miller asked if Jackson suffered from memory problems, he replied: "Not that I can recall." ETA: A funny picture as well. And another one.
Pandrea
Dec 5 2002, 05:28 AM
QUOTE When attorney Louis R. "Skip" Miller asked if Jackson suffered from memory problems, he replied: "Not that I can recall." Wacko Jacko, stand-up comic. That's funny. He seems to be on crutches or have hurt his foot quite a lot, doesn't he?
Ambrose's Auntie
Dec 5 2002, 06:59 AM
QUOTE He seems to be on crutches or have hurt his foot quite a lot, doesn't he? Must be what comes of constantly ramming his foot into his mouth.
Nalian
Jan 2 2003, 06:18 PM
QUOTE At the MTV Video Music Awards In August, he said, "If someone were to [tell] me that one day I'd be getting a musician, artist of the millennium award, I wouldn't have believed them." And neither should he, considering it was just a birthday cake he was given. Thats from http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/0...kson/index.html - looks like they love him about as much as we do.
Don't do it Lisa Marie!!! QUOTE Jacko's Custody Fight Depends on Lisa-Marie
Troubled pop star Michael Jackson is trying to reunite with ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley in order to retain custody of his three children. The Invincible star reportedly wants to remarry the star, who split her husband of three months, actor Nicolas Cage, in December. Jackson, who ended his two year marriage to Presley in January 1998, apparently believes he has a better chance of evading an investigation into his suitably as a father - prompted by his dangling of baby Prince Michael II over the balcony of a German hotel last month - if he is in a stable relationship. Source
Heatherbelle
Jan 2 2003, 08:34 PM
You have got to be kidding me.
Piranha
Jan 2 2003, 08:49 PM
No sane person would grant Michael Jackson custody of anything, surely! Even if only 10% of the rumours were true, it'd be too weird. I would not want children to grow up in that environment: the mere fact that he named his two sons the same thing is evidence that he has no idea how to create a healthy life for children.
ejg25
Jan 3 2003, 12:53 PM
And yet no one has cracked down on George Forman. Maybe they're just blinded by the glory of his grill.
Pandrea
Jan 3 2003, 01:06 PM
You know, I keep thinking about buying a George Grill. It's exerting some kind of strange power over me. I think it would be funny if Jacko marketed his own products too. Little home oxygen chambers or something.
PoppyJen
Jan 4 2003, 10:06 AM
QUOTE (BJC @ Yesterday at 2:05 am) - if he is in a stable relationship. Source A stable relationship?! Did I just find that funnier than it was meant to be?
Boliver
Jan 4 2003, 01:26 PM
I love my Foreman grill- it's so convenient when I'm too lazy to grill outside, or I don't have time.
BJC
Jan 30 2003, 09:18 PM
Looks like a very interesting documentary next Tuesday night on Channel 7. I know I'll be watching. QUOTE Living with Michael Jackson
A fascinating personal insight into the mind of one of the world's biggest stars by renowned British reporter Martin Bashir. This truly is Michael Jackson as you have never seen him before.
Heatherbelle
Jan 30 2003, 09:22 PM
He's the man that did the 'Princess Diana' interview. And the Micheal Barrymore one as well. So, don't expect any real hard-hitting questions!
Meowcat
Jan 30 2003, 09:40 PM
Having seen some of the promos I don't think the interveiwer needed to ask hard hitting questions Michael appeared to be wacky enough on his own.
BJC
Jan 30 2003, 09:44 PM
Yeah, I guess they just pressed record on the camera and let Michael be Michael.
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