Hey lookie at me - starting a WW topic!!

Okay, I'm going to post this here because its sort of a strange thing, but a good thing.

I was extremely bored at work today (as usual) and decided to compile a list (with the excellent help of www.imdb.com) of all the Buffy/Angel actors that have also appeared on The West Wing. A few have been spotted, but there are a few that have been bugging me.

Some of the episodes haven't been shown in UK/Aus yet, but I thought I'd include them anyway - so don't stress if you don't recognise the episode title.

I was amazed at some of the ones I hadn't noticed!!

* Amy Adams - Beth Maclay (Tara’s cousin) in Family: Buffy and Cathy in 20 Hours in America: West Wing

* Andy Umberger - D’Hoffryn in Buffy, Dr. Ronald Meltzer in I Fall to Pieces: Angel, Stevie in Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc: West Wing and Cal Mathis in In the Shadow of Two Gunman (Part 1): West Wing

* Armin Shimerman - Principal Snyder in Buffy and a Congressman in Posse Comitatus: West Wing

* Bob Morrisey - various crazy people in Buffy, Dr. Gregson in Heartthrob: Angel and appeared in We Killed Yamamoto: West Wing

* Brett Hinkley - Manny in DoubleMeat Place: Buffy and Professor Donald Huke in Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail: West Wing

* Brigid Conley Walsh - Virginia Bryce (Wesley’s girlfriend) in Angel and Harriet (Ainsley’s friend) in In This White House: West Wing

* Carlos Jacott - Ken in Anne: Buffy, Richard in The Bachelor Party: Angel and N.H. Marketing Guy #2 in Barlet for America: West Wing

* Christian Clemenson – Balthazar in Bad Girls: Buffy and Evan Woodkirk (Smithsonian Curator) in The Women of Qumar: West Wing

* Christopher May – Male Customer (the guy asking about the candles) in Life Serial: Buffy and Tom (Wyatt Staffer) in Process Stories: West Wing

* David Brisbin – Mr Anderson in The Pack: Buffy and Ken in Let Bartlet Be Bartlet: West Wing

* Douglas Roberts – Darin McNamara in The Ring: Angel and Congressional Aide #1 (Henry) in The Fall’s Gonna Kill You: West Wing

* Eric Balfour – Jesse in Buffy, Frat Boy #3 in Mr. Willis of Ohio: West Wing

* Frac Ross – Razor in Bargaining 1 & 2: Buffy and Sonny Saunders in The Midterms: West Wing

* Gerry Becker – Nathan Reed in Angel and Network News President #1 in The Black Vera Wang: West Wing

* Glenn Morshower – Mr. Newton in Help: Buffy and Peter (State Dept./SitRoom Civilian Advisor) in West Wing

* Harrison Young – Old Man in Anne: Buffy and Senator Grissom in The Stackhouse Filibuster: West Wing

* Harry Groener – Mayor Richard Wilkins III in Buffy and Roger Tribbey in He Shall, From Time to Time…: West Wing

* J. August Richards – Charles Gunn in Angel and Bill in Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc: West Wing

* Jerry Lambert – Rick the Clerk in I’ve Got You Under My Skin: Angel and Chuck Kane in Dead Irish Writers: West Wing

* John Capodice – Little Tony Papazian in Sense and Sensitivity: Angel and Lenny in Ellie: West Wing

* John David Conti – Mr Ruzavoz in Double or Nothing: Angel and Howell in Posse Comitatus: West Wing

* John Kapelos – Ronald Meeks in Are You Now or Have You Ever Been: Angel and Seymour Little in The State Dinner: West Wing

* John Rubinstein – Linwood Murrow in Angel and Sen. Andy Ritter in 18th and Potomac: West Wing

* Jordan Baker – Sheila Rosenberg in Gingerbread: Buffy and Dr. Cynthia Sayles in Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail: West Wing

* Juan A. Riojas – Val Trepkos in The Ring: Angel and various Secret Service Agents in West Wing

* Justin Urich – Wendell in Nightmares: Buffy and Frat Boy #2 in Mr. Willis of Ohio: West Wing

* Kaarina Aufranc – Nancy in Beneath You: Buffy and Ten Dollars (Member of Josh’s Troupe) in Election Night: West Wing

* Kathryn Joosten – Genevive Holt in Where The Wild Things Are: Buffy and Mrs Landingham in West Wing

* Kevin Fry - Skilosh Demon in Angel and Staff Aide #2 in The Leadership Breakfast: West Wing

* Kevin Owers - Smith (CoW dude) in Buffy/Angel and “Chorus” in Posse Comitatus: West Wing

* Kirsten Nelson - Lorraine (Buffy’s boss) in DoubleMeat Palace: Buffy and Young Mrs Landingham in Two Cathedrals: West Wing

* Kris Iyer - Nigel (CoW dude) in Buffy and Andy’s Doctor in Election Night: West Wing

* Mark Oxman - Expresso Pump Worker in Wrecked: Buffy and Benji in Isaac and Ishmael: West Wing

* Mary-Pat Green - Blood Bank Doctor in Anne: Buffy and Senator Choate in 20 Hours in America (Part 1): West Wing

* Michael Mantell – Oliver (agent dude) in Angel and Jamie Hotchkiss in Bad Moon Rising: West Wing

* Nigel Gibbs – Doctor in Double or Nothing: Angel and Aide #2 in Galileo: West Wing

* Patrick Green – Nev in Birthday: Angel and Kevin Kahn (Ritchie’s Communications Director) in The Black Vera Wang: West Wing

* Randy Oglesby – Professor Oliver Seidel in Supersymmetry: Angel and Alcholic Politican in Stirred: West Wing

* Richard Hoyt-Miller – Policeman in Passion: Buffy and Air Force One Steward in The Portland Trip: West Wing

* Robert Noble – Hotel Night Manager in Hells Bells: Buffy and Valet/Butler in West Wing

* Sam Anderson – Holland Manners in Angel and John LaSalle in Shibboleth: West Wing

* Sean Moran – Stage Manager in Nightmares: Buffy and Dr. Holbrook in The Shadow of Two Gunman: West Wing

* Shirley Jordan – Internal Affairs Woman in Reprise: Angel and FBI Receiptionist in Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail: West Wing

* Steve Rankin – Mr. Maclay in Family: Buffy and unnamed character in The State Dinner: West Wing

* Steve Tom – Stephen Mills in Offspring: Angel and General Hodges, Army Chief of Staff in The Black Vera Wang: West Wing

* Steven Gilborn – Uncle Rory in Hells Bells: Buffy and Rep. Paul Dearborn in Bartlet for America: West Wing

* Teddy Lane Jr – Bouncer in Welcome to the Hellmouth/The Harvest: Buffy and Secret Service Agent in Hartsfield’s Landing: West Wing

* Thomas Crawford – Theatre Manager in Waiting in the Wings[i]: Angel and Bill Lacey in [i]20 Hours in America: West Wing

* Thomas Kopache – Denver in Reprise: Angel and SitRoom Civilian Advisor in West Wing

* Tony Amendola – Thesulac Demon in Are you Now or Have You Ever Been: Angel and Qumari U.N. Ambassador Ali Nissir in Game On: West Wing

* Vaughn Armstrong – Cop in The Zeppo: Buffy and Sgt. MacNamara in Celestial Navigation: West Wing

* Vyto Ruginis – Russell Winters in City of…:Angel and Mitch in Artic Radar: West Wing

Hmmm, so both Mrs Landinghams have appeared in Buffy!

Wow. You were bored.

Yup.

Piranha, NatCat & Libbylou - the one I was trying to think of on Saturday night was:



Doh! I was way off. I thought it was either the cafeteria lady from Earshot or the nurse from Go Fish.

Merciful Zeus! Yep, I have been rewatching OMWF, and yep, your list is very impressive, Beej. It felt like I was scrolling down forever.

Wow. Beej, you are good!!!

See, now your growing WW love is even more right coz it has things in common with Buffy/Angel! Yay!

So if anyone ever needs a list of the actors that have made guest appearances in Buffy, Angel or West Wing, just let me know. Cause I have one.

Is that like Josh's list???

I still can't believe you did this while you were at work! Maybe I'll print a copy so that I can try and get my brother into TWW by using Buffy/Angel appearances as incentives!


Well, there's no doubt it's a serious list.

Yeah, and I actually managed to get real work done at the same time. That was in the morning. Then in the afternoon they tell me that my system won't be available for the rest of the day because of upgrades. Well, they could have told me that a few hours earlier! I might have done some more real work.

Hey - what am I talking about - this was real work!

Real work. That's funny. It really is.

Oh! I just discovered another West Wing/Buffy link. Saw some different pictures of SMG's wedding today, and Dule Hill was one of the wedding guests!

Did I forget to tell you that?

Yes. Obviously. :-)

Where is the connection i.e. how do Sarah and/or Freddie know Dule?

I just saw those pictures today too - in Instyle magazine. I'm guessing Dule Hill became friends with FP Jnr during She's All That. They were both in that film. (which wasn't a very good one though)

I've seen this movie several times, but never all the way through. I must try and watch it again now, just to see Dule.

They must have become *very* good friends, because only a small number of guests were invited. None of the Buffy/Angel cast were there, which just further inflamed rumours that Sarah doesn't really get along with any of them in real life.

DH's a pretty nothing character in the movie - a jock friend of FP Jnr's character. But if you're a fan, just fast forward through the rest of the movie! ;)

I didn't know about the cast friendship rumours - interesting.

Oh yeah, its interesting to analyse actually. SMG never turns up to any cast events, whenever another cast member talks about their fellow castmates they have gushing & glowing reviews for all of them, except Sarah, when they just say "She is very professional...".

Then again SMG & Freddy have tried very very hard to keep their private lives very private, so maybe her distance from her castmates is part of that process.

You'd think that having to work long hours together for so many years, you'd become quite close.

As far as I've seen and read, TWW cast are all quite close. I put forward the cast's reaction to John Spencer's win at the Emmys as an example....and yes, this was a poor effort of mine to make this TWW-related!

Okay, I can be deeply stooopid & blonde sometimes.

How long have I been living in the WW world for? 6 months? More?

It took my Mum, who has just started watching Season 1 on video (she actually asked for it!) to point out that her family last name is the same as Leo's.

Just one letter spelling difference. McGarry versus Magarry.

How did I miss that??

Oh dear.

Arnie hires Rob Lowe as adviser

What. The. ???

What AA said.

Oh Rob, please don't. Pretty please?? This is not quite what we had in mind when we sent Sam off campaigning. It really isn't. And having Sam with me on hols, I'm just gonna keeping how wrong it is that RL could be going with Arnie.

On the other hand nein news showed a clip from the pilot episode!!! Sam, Mallory and the Roservelt room!!!

Some quotes from RL about joining the Arnie campain from the IMDB

What the? Can IMDB be right on this? He's going to run for Lieutenant Governor? As a Republican?

I think it needs be said right now that I am not actually a native of this state. This fiasco gets fiascier every day. Back in New York, we actually remember that we just voted for a guy eight months ago. Everything you're blaming him for happened years ago. If it troubled you so much, why did you reelect him — yes, I say it again — eight months ago?

If you think your pointing a finger and laughing jsut think what the rest of the world is doing.


Seriously - you're not happy with the guy you elected 8 months ago and are seriously worried about the budget deficit so you spend even more money to consider changing your mind???

Oh, there are no end to the negative aspects. The fact that it looks like the decision to recall is going to be on the same ballot as the candidates for replacements — makes it an apples and oranges question, violating the most basic rule of forming statistical questions. To wit, almost no one (of the like 11 people who decide to vote and thus get to run the state) will vote against the recall, because they'll be afraid of throwing away any choice over the successor. And then there's the fact that Davis could get 49% of the voters and still be beaten by a replacement candidate who gets only 5% or 10% of the voters. It's madness.

This is my take on the recall election. I happen to think Gray Davis is right on this one. The Republicans are using the budget crisis as an excuse. They want to divert Democrat funding from the Presidential election next year. They're hoping that the Democrats use up excess funds on the gubentorial race and won't have enough money to counteract the bundles Bush is going to spend to try to win the state. Bush already has more money the he needs for his reelection campaign and the primaries haven't even started so it won't hurt his money situation at all.



I have to say that this is hardly a concern to me. Really, it never even occured to me to think "Gee, I wonder what other countries are saying about this?" It's so irrelevant to the story at hand. I am concerned somewhat as to what the rest of the U.S. thinks because I'd like there to be some acknowledgement that the Republican Party sucks and, after being successful in keeping a duly elected President from serving office they're now going to try and keep duly-elected governors from serving.

I thought you could vote no on the recall and still make a choice for governor if the recall went forward. No?

No, I don't think so. They've been trying to get the courts to grant separate ballots, but so far no go.

I'm not really concerned with what other states or countries are thinking (cause, yeah, we're all thinking it too). I'm concerned about being governed by Gary Coleman.

The problem is that we have some poorly written laws with a really idiotic weak spot in them, so that any partisan crackpot who's feeling a bit whiny can pay hired guns to get signatures at the supermarket... and suddenly you have a bloodless coup.



This is a great point, although a depressing one.

...or the Fish and Chip shop.

Off topic: our Down Under Xenophobic Right Wing Partisan Crackpot was gaoled for three years yesterday, on charges relating to electoral fraud. Personally, I think those three years would have been better spent doing community service with Asian refugees and Aboriginal communities.

(Sorry - the word Crackpot just set me off.)

She is a crackpot .

MJ that is depressing - I'm still waiting for the backlash against our lying right wing gov to start but for some reason people still seem to like them?

I don't know about that, MC. I don't know that Australians are in favour of the current government; I just think that their level of interest in the current opposition is so low that they support the only major party who's making a noise. It's J-Ho's party.

I've said it before and been laughed at, and I'm saying it again - the ALP is not exhibiting leadership enough to sway the people - despite being an electorate that is ripe and begging to be swayed. If the ALP offerred a viable alternative, they would be unbeatable in the next election. Still, no-one has come forward to really lead the party (although - and I don't believe I'm saying this - Mark Latham is starting to look the goods).

/rant.

On my flight from Chicago to Jacksonville (on the tiniest plane in the world) I was sitting next to a diplomat who works for the US Embassy in China. He was talking to the stewardie about what the embassy does in China and he used an example "some days we talk about the amount of soy beans to import....".

Took me many minutes to stop giggling hysterically.

".....and to chronicle the extraordinary voyage of an unmanned ship called Galileo..."

Ahhh so that's what happened?

NASA is deliberately crashing the probe into Jupiter's atmosphere so that it won't corrupt and contaminate the delicate atmosphere on one of the moons. Or was I asleep when I heard that?

Yes, that's right. Nice that NASA is thinking about these things.

Mad Cow in Washington State?

The Women Of Qumar, anyone?

A friend of mine who lives in the US sent me a surprise present this week. A university banner from Wesleyan. Excccelllent.

Hmmm I think one presidential candidate has been watching TWW

Howard Dean : 'I'm just deeply disapointed that once again we may have to settle for the lesser of two evils'

That's a totally standard part of US election dialogue, actually.

Yes, it's the rallying cry of the anti-two-party-system types. Like me. You know, my mother's been chiding me for not yet being up on the candidates and deciding which one I like... of course, "fortunately," by the time my state's primary comes around at the end of this month, there will only be one "choice" left for me to make.

Yes, if he was watching TWW, he would have said "'I'm just deeply disapointed that once again we may have to settle for the lesser of 'who cares?'."

I was reading an article about President Bush giving a press conference in the East Room and the first thing I thought of was, I hope they got rid of all that asbestos. I was hurled back to reality when I read parts of the speech and realised there was no way Toby would have written that crap.

Reality sucks and blows with enormous gusto.

Yes. I was, at various times during the press conference, amazed, amused and terrified that he could look so uncomfortable and be so inarticulate.

Aparently that wasn't his only problem.

Mrs Bush needed to do an Abby.

from E! Online.

Or maybe we could get a president who can dress himself.

A voter with standards! - Next you will want a President who can think!
(joke)