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Pandrea
Hey, we haven't had one of these for a while ...

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Fresh research from retail analysts Mintel show that only 17% of women deem shopping an enjoyable pastime.

More people are choosing to shop online, with a separate study revealing that come Christmas, 30% will avoid the stores by doing all their buying over the internet.

http://shopping.guardian.co.uk/news/story/...1347213,00.html

So, how often do you shop (for non-groceries)? Do you enjoy it? Do you do a lot of online shopping?

I hardly shop anymore, except on holiday. I buy few new clothes, don't go into town that much and have successfully tried to cut down on CDs, DVDs and books. Although I don't buy clothes online, I do use Amazon quite a bit. And I plan to buy nearly all of my Christmas presents online - apart from the ones I brought back from holiday.

Whenever I do have to buy clothes, I go to the same few old shops and don't take that long. I particularly find shoes difficult to buy because I don't like high heels or flimsy soles, so the prospect of having to buy new winter shoes or boots shortly is annoying.
BJC
I tend to do all of my DVD shopping online, becuase most of the time it works out cheaper.

If I have to buy something out-of-the-ordinary, I'll research it online but I still like going and buying it in person.

At the moment shopping for clothes is equally parts frustrating and exciting for me. Its exciting because the number on the label size is decreasing, but its frustrating because I'm in between sizes and nothing fits "just right".

I would say I find the experience of shopping enjoyable 70% of time, sometimes there is nothing better than just having a potter around the shops, but sometimes I juts want to get the frilly heck outta there.
Claudia
I hate shopping. Especially clothes shopping. I hate the getting sweaty while changing repeatedly part, mostly.
Veda
I enjoy shopping but definitely have my limit. I have a bit of an obsession with Target stores and often just wander around Target on my lunch break when I need to get away from the office. I like to look and touch all the pretty, shiny things. On the flip side I've gone "hard core" shopping with friends who will just tear through clothing stores in a whirlwind. That kind of shopping I don't enjoy. I guess I'm enjoy window shopping, but not shopping missions.

I despise grocery shopping.
Boliver
Ever since I bought the "What Not to Wear" book I've enjoyed clothes shopping more because I only try on clothes that mostly follow the rules, and because of that they're more likely to look good on me.

Also, I have a Nordstrom Rack and a Kohl's, where I go when there are sales, which is pretty much the only time I shop. I tend to look for something specific, like if I need slacks, and then browse a tiny bit on the way to the check out. In the last 6 years or so I've been pretty good about not buying things I don't "need," so I can feel good about the shopping.

The only shopping that frustrates me is bra and swimwear shopping, because they always show my back fat or don't fit big boobs right. I swear I took 1.5 hours at Kohl's during the last sale, shopping for bras, and it was torture.

I don't mind grocery shopping, but that's because we go with a specific list, derived from 5 or 6 meal menu after I choose what dinners we're going to have over the next week. We're in a grocery groove now, with pretty much only 4 stores that we use: Costco, which has all the meats, cheese, toilet paper, etc. in bulk; our local health food store, Henry's, where I get the vast majority of the produce and grains; Albertson's, where I shop only if I can't find something elsewhere (like Jello or fennel), because it's a large chain store and I avoid those if I can; and Trader Joes, which I don't have near me, but that has my cat litter and cool stuff like good mushrooms and cheese.

Getting Ron to shop for clothes is quite difficult, and requires two things: him not having anything else to do at the moment, and me offering to buy. If there's a sale and I can use that to create a sense of time-urgency, that helps. I'm convinced that the sole reason he has anything decent in his closet is because I've used the above tools. I don't understand how someone with such a great body and beautiful grace can hate to shop for clothes, but maybe that's just a girl's perspective, coming from decades of societal pressure to hate our bodies, and the "grass is greener" thing.

The only other shopping I do if for specific items like household stuff like tools, paint, plants, etc., and for that I always have a specific list.
Pandrea
I really like grocery shopping. Maybe I'm just greedy. All my food is bought from very local shops (no car) and I'm quite chummy with the staff so it's pleasant. I only go to the supermarket maybe once a month or six weeks, and even that is only a 15 minute walk away. Since I've been living on my own I hardly ever buy tins or frozen food so I don't really have heavy things to carry, anyway.
SNeaker
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At the moment shopping for clothes is equally parts frustrating and exciting for me. Its exciting because the number on the label size is decreasing, but its frustrating because I'm in between sizes and nothing fits "just right".

Oh that's such a pain in the ass. Trying to find clothes while in the process of weight loss is exremely frustrating. Two weeks later the stuff is too big.

I love shopping for beauty products and toiletries and stuff like that, something I've had to clamp down on because it was getting out of hand. Now my rule is: You can not buy any product that you already have, even if the new one is supposed to be better. I enjoy grocery shopping too- I try to join my mom whenever I can.

I hate shopping for clothing, with a fiery burning passion. Aside from hating to try things on, (some sweaty, frustrating, bra-shopping trips have nearly ended in tears) I have no patience for browsing or waiting on line, or any of it. I also have a very hard time finding clothes because there aren't that many clothes out there that fit my three qualifications: Decent quality, decent price, properly modest. *Everything* right now is boatnecks and funky open fronts and cut off shoulders, and if you can actually find skirts, they're all an inch or two too short. I prefer online shopping where I can check skirt length and everything is sorted the way I like it. It's a risk of course, but I generally buy from places that have stores close by so I can return stuff without the hassle or cost of shipping, and I try to take advantage of online stores' free shipping promotions.
jenelope
I love to shop for groceries, books, and craft stuff. I used to love shopping for shoes. I still do, sometimes, but I have to be in the right mood and at the right stores. As for clothes shopping, once I started shopping at stores that actually have flattering clothes in my size, I stopped hating it quite as much. I used to be one of those teenage girls who could spend the whole day at the mall. Then again, I used to be a wee, little bony thing and pretty much everything looked good on me. These days, I find that my patience with the mall is extremely limited.

But I've also noticed some other weird trend. I shop when I'm with other people, but I'm more inclined to buy if I'm alone. It's like the shopping has more purpose when done as a solo expedition.

I enjoy shopping online, but I'm more likely to buy in person. Other than those times when I can get an exceptional deal, or an item is hard to find locally, I mostly use online shopping as research.
mjforty
I hate shopping. Cannot stand it. I tend to do as much of it on-line as a I can.

But when Christmas time comes, I prefer to do it in person. I just like the experience of Christmas shopping. The decorations, the carols being played over the loud speakers, the lights. It puts me in such a good mood. Which makes me weird I guess since most people I know who like to shop hate shopping at Christmas.
ejg25
I like Christmas shopping too, although sometimes it's more of a pressure than a pleasure.

I suppose overall I'm pretty pro-shopping. When I do it, I really enjoy it, and I often go shopping with my female family members as a fun activity. The thing is, I almost never buy anything, because I'm picky to excess and something has to be perfect for me to get it. I think that and the sudden change in financial status when I moved out here contributed to me ceasing to buy clothes entirely. I just stopped, and except for the occasional urgent staple, I didn't really start again. Although that also has to do with the fact that my clothes-buying is season-conditional. There were a couple of fashion seasons (right in the Season Three Buffy era, if you recall those clothes) that were just me, where I loved everything, and I bought and bought. Since then I haven't liked things as much... ugh to the 80s revival and that Buffy Season Seven bizarre shirt period. I like warm-weather clothes better and years where clothing is all feminine and glittery and pretty and lush and textured.

Shoe shopping I hate, because I'm even pickier about shoes and I can't stand uncomfortable shoes. So I have a lot of shabby and shameful shoes that I wear into the ground... because I can't find satisfactory replacments. Similarly, I'm starting to notice that a lot of my clothes are getting on the old side and need a lot of mending. Oh well. Basically, I fall in love with a thing, and then I want to go out and find an exact copy to replace the thing. Fat chance. If I could have one superhero power, it would be to be able to see the future and know which purchases would become my beloved ragged staples, so that I could buy three of them when they were new. Or, like, ten.

I find myself having to grocery shop too much these days. I go about every two weeks and load up massively... I suspect this is because almost every meal I eat, including my lunches during the work week, comes out of my pantry. I don't dine out much. Grocery stores in California are one of my greatest pleasures in living here, though. I love the big massive chain dealies with the double coupons and the low prices and the dazzling selection. Quite a change from the dank New York supermarkets the size of a garage, where everything is marked up double and past its expiration date, aisles you can't fit through, a single brand of peas and a dimly lit meat department that smells.
jenelope
I used to hate grocery shopping in my old apartment. I had two choices for grocery stores in that town: one supermarket, where everything was cheap and fattening and I couldn't get good cheese, good produce or meat in anything less than a family pack; and a Meijer Thrifty Acres, which is something like the worst things about Kmart, smooshed together with a grocery store which is just more of the same thing I got at the other store. My current apartment is equidistant from two excellent grocery stores, with great produce, a wonderful wine selection, and a genuine, honest-to-God meat counter. Knowing that I can buy one steak, or a half pound of ground turkey is incredibly liberating. Plus, one of the stores actually has a champagne cooler with real champagne kept at optimum temperature, and a walk-in beer cooler. So, in reality I can satisfy my champagne taste and my beer budget (I get a bottle of Pommery Brut Rose at least once a year). It's awesome!
Veda
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But I've also noticed some other weird trend. I shop when I'm with other people, but I'm more inclined to buy if I'm alone. It's like the shopping has more purpose when done as a solo expedition.
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Yes, yes. I don't like the pressure of buying clothes with other people. I'm pretty cheap about clothes and on the first look around I usually don't see anything I want enough to part with my money. Then I'll think about something I saw later and go back for it.
Mirren
Wow, I really thought I was the only woman alive who detested shoe shopping. I'm not a shopping fan - I don't generally enjoy the process of just looking at stuff and (as so often happens) not being able to find something I want/need is incredibly frustrating.

Clothes and shoe shopping are a pain because nine times out of ten I come away empty-handed. I'm fairly picky and it's usually very difficult to find trousers that fit (wide hips, or, as I prefer to think of it, freakishly narrow waist). But like ejg I get seasons where I love everything. So two months ago when I didn't have a job the shops were full of desirable treasures, but now I'm employed with guaranteed income and an actual need for workwear ... nada.

At the moment it's also a little irritating that I don't know the right shops for basic purchases - like where to buy a diary or charity Christmas cards in the absence of WHSmith.

On the other hand, abandon me in a bookstore, drugstore or a music shop and I can be happy for hours.

I used to hate food shopping when it was a weekly or fortnightly trip to the supermarket, but now I'm living right downtown I can grab some coriander, salmon or ice-cream on my way home from the bus stop. I'm also enjoying all the new Canadian foodstuffs I can buy. Unlike most Brits I'm not missing marmite (yeuch) but I do hanker after squash and spreadable butter.
BJC
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Oh that's such a pain in the ass. Trying to find clothes while in the process of weight loss is exremely frustrating. Two weeks later the stuff is too big.


Sing it sista! Thank GOD my Mum is handy with a sewing machine.

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At the moment it's also a little irritating that I don't know the right shops for basic purchases


That is so frustrating! I feel in love with several shops when I lived in the UK and I miss them dearly. Give me Marks & Sparks knickers any day. And I would kill to get Sainsbury's in Australia.
Pandrea
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charity Christmas cards in the absence of WHSmith.

This is honestly not meant to be annoying, but I've never understood why people buy charity cards from shops like that, which take a cut, rather than actual charity shops, where all the profit goes to the cause. The quality and choice of the cards seems, if anything, better from (say) an Oxfam shop than a newsagent/supermarket and since you're making the effort to support a good cause anyway ... isn't it just as easy to do it direct? Or is it just my area where there are hundreds of charity shops around?
Ambrose's Auntie
I loathe shoe shopping with a passion - I'm always glad to see I'm not alone in that. I am happiest in a book or a stationery store, or a homewares place. Clothes shopping I have to be in the right mood for, which doesn't happen all that often. I also love grocery shopping - I find it really relaxing.
ejg25
They don't have squash and spreadable butter in Canada? Are you sure? They've got them here.

I'd say Barnes & Noble is the equivalent of W.H. Smith.
Mirren
On the charity card front, I was conflating examples - I actually always used to buy them from those specialized outlets that open up in church halls or whatever in November. I did buy my diaries from WHSmith, though. But I haven't found the equivalent of either the card shops or charity shops here (except for the Salvation Army, which I know does lots of good work, but I give to secular charities).

And I haven't been able to find squash here (apart from ribena) or spreadable butter - what brands do you have in the States? Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place (Safeways, CostCo). I don't think there's a B&N in Vancouver, either.
ejg25
Pretty much whichever brand makes regular butter has a whipped, spreadable version next to it on the shelf. I'd try a different supermarket. And if your local supermarket doesn't have squash, a trip to the fruit market is probably called for.
BJC
Mirren, are you talking about the drinkable squash or fruit squash? If you are talking about the type you drink, its probaby sold under a different name.
Mirren
I was talking about drinkable squash - it just doesn't seem to be on the shelves. All there is is kool aid and other powdered drinks, or bottles/ cans of coke and suchlike. Consequently I'm drinking a lot of water.

But I'll look out for "whipped" butter, thanks for the tip.
devi
As in lemon squash, the king of soft drinks? That is very sad.

Now, my question is this: many complain about xmas shopping, but is there anyone out there, apart from my mother and I, who actually enjoys the whole process? Our theory is that you aim to get people either something they need but didn't even know it, or something they yearn for but would never buy for themselves. You can't always meet your mark every time but it's so very satisfying when you manage it. For me the building blocks are to keep an ear and eye tuned for potential gifts throughout the year, a comprehensive yet not inflexible shopping list, and a good supply of really cool wrapping paper.
Ambrose's Auntie
devi, I love Christmas shopping, and gift shopping generally. I get very excited about finding just the right gift for someone. And I'll buy (or make) things as it occurs to me that someone would love it, rather than wait until Christmas or birthday when I'd forget. The down side of that is that sometimes I can't wait until Christmas or birthday and I'll give the gift beforehand, and then have to come up with something for Christmas or birthday separately.

I also love wrapping gifts. I've been known to spend more on wrapping than on the actual gift. Some boxes are so absolutely beautiful that I can't leave them in the store, and they become an integral part of the present.
melusina
I don't really like shopping but I DO like buying. I like to walk in somewhere and if something catches my eye in 10 seconds I'll look a bit more and very often buy something. If not, I'll walk out. That's why I only go to vintage stores very occasionally (I have to be in the right mood to rummage) and why I loathe department stores. One major change to my shopping / buying habits since I've been in London is that I will only go clothes shopping by myself and if I'm in Oxford Street (I am now living a 15-minute walk from Oxford Circus - dangerous!) I will only go at 10am on a Saturday morning. Any other time is just too crowded and horrible. I think my preference to buy rather than shop is why I don't like communal shopping; I can't bear dithering which tends to happen when a group of us get together to buy stuff!

I love Christmas shopping though... it's the one time where I actually like the hustle and jostle of Oxford and Regent Streets (although I usually try to buy unusual things from different places throughout the year so I'm giving something totally unique). I just love that it's cold, and the Christmas lights are on, and that I'm not actually looking to BUY presents so I can experience all the Christmas-ness without the stress of looking for stuff. Present-wise, this will be a very easy Christmas as I am having a very low-key day this year for a change!
Veda
Drinkable squash?!
Pandrea
Does not actually contain the fruit you call squash: orange squash drink*. We called it diluting orange when I was growing up, practically raised on it (with many arguments about how much water my mother thought should go in it as opposed to how much I thought) and can't bear it now.

(*It won't let me link directly but put Find: orange squash and click on the first one to see)

Mirren, Amnesty's Canadian office seems to be selling cards online.
kmm56
I'm so relieved you weren't actually talking about, like, liquid pumpkin.

I actually just bought shoes this weekend, because I'm getting to the point of needing a new pair and I saw a pair that looked just like my old ones. My problem with shoe shopping is that all of my remaining "oh my God I'm wearing something wrong and against the rules and people will look at me and laugh" are concentrated in my shoes. Regular clothes, I can evaluate. I'm never going to be a fashion maven, but I know when I look good and when I look silly and I don't worry that people are snickering at my pants behind my back. Shoes, though, I feel like there's a rulebook somewhere that I don't have a copy of, and I get paranoid.

So yes, shoe shopping boo hiss.
Boliver
I like shopping for gifts for people because I usually think about what to get throughout the year, and I love wrapping gifts. I just don't like the holiday of Christmas itself. I'm *this close* to putting up a Festivus sign in my yard so I can get into some sort of holiday spirit. I just have to convince the husband unit that the neighbors won't hate us if I do it- especially the guy with the nice lawn, the one that had a Bush Cheney 04 sign in the lawn up until 2 weeks, ago.

Drinkable squash made me think of steaming a butternut squash, putting it in the blender with some milk, and drinking it. Ugh. Soup? Okay. A shake? No thanks. Butternut is one of the very few things I miss eating on my plan. It's chock full of starchy goodness.
ejg25
Ah, translational difficulties again. That kind of squash... maybe Orange Crush is similar? Or Orangina? You also might try Fanta... I know the European version has real orange juice in it, but the American kind usually doesn't.
Pandrea
But the real question obviously is, where do we all buy cigarettes Marlboro?
Claudia
Orangina seems a good thing to try. Is orange squash fizzy, though? Orangina is intermediate in fizziness between none at all and what most sodas have.
Pandrea
Orange squash is not remotely fizzy and tastes (unfortunately for Mirren) nothing at all like Orangina. You dilute it with water. Don't you have lemon barley water over there either? That's similar but, well, with lemon and barley.
ejg25
Ew, no. We do have concentrated orange juice that you have to add water to. Maybe that's it. If you're looking for watery orange flavor, there's powdered Tang (which I personally love).

I don't know about you, but I buy my cigarettes Marlboro at le market super. To which I take the train subway.
Claudia
Barley isn't totally unknown here, but it's a very British thing, I think.
Khari
Mirren, if you get desperate you could always try the outrageously expensive squash (and baked beans, tea bags etc.) from here: http://www.expatcorner.ca/drinks.php3?acti...v=squash&page=1

They're out of stock at the moment though.
Mirren
My god, $6 for orange squash? Good thing the tap water tastes so nice here. Ejg, it's not the same as the dilutable Minute Maid juices - there's clearly no cultural read-over. Which is a good thing for North Americans, as there's nothing healthy about squash - it's basically just sugar and E numbers. Though I'm concerned that here everyone drinks fizzy drinks (or "pop" as it's cutely called in Canada) instead.

This lengthy conversation is a bit embarrassing as (well known to Pandrea and Khari) adults in the UK do not typically drink squash - it's a kids' drink (like kool aid, but much nicer). I'm not really that worked up about it, honest. And I'm trying not to become *that* ex-pat.
ejg25
Based on that description, I think you might get something similar if you took Tang and put too much water in it... more than they recommend on the label. Tang, also a kids' drink a la Kool Aid. Well, kids and astronauts.
Heatherbelle
I still drink Squash, Mirren!

I got upset a couple of months back - Safeway did a really nice 'Pear and Blueberry' one that I used to like. Since Morrison's took over, they stopped doing it, so I have had to find another flavour instead. A normalish apple & blackcurrant, but its not bad.
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